Flow optimised cast 330d exhaust manifold

bjzwart

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In this post (long ago), I prepared my car for some major upgrades. I promissed to start a new thread on my manifold upgrade.

My car originally came with the stainless exhaust manifold that is known to tear apart, especially when the engine is tuned. So when I decided to change the turbo, it was obvious to me that I would also change the manifold it is attached to. The cast manifolds of the older E46's and E39's are becoming difficult to get in Europe, since almost everybody knows everyone with the newer M57 engine wants to have one... except for the seller I found. He sold it as a manifold for a petrol engine, but in the picture I recognised it as the one I needed. So 50 euros made me the proud owner of the correct manifold.

When looking into the ports however, top and bottom are narrowed to make space for tools that are needed to torque down the mounting nuts. My tools are not as big as the factory ones I guess, So I welded up the recesses on the outside:
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Of course, welding cast iron is not easy... before every weld, I heated up the complete part with a huge gas torch. And also after doing the welds, I let it cool down in a 'bed' of isolating glasswool, which took a complete day to let it cool down fully! Despite this, I couldn't help some cracks appearing, so I welded those again using the same method:
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After all the welding was done, I took it to work where we have a huge oven. The part went in for a complete day at high temp (forget how high; several hundreds degrees of Celcius) to cure out all stress that would still be in it.

It came out nicely without extra cracks, but a little warped, which again at work, I smoothed out on a milling machine:
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I had to take of 2,5 mm to make it fully flat again!
I didn't want to put the turbo closer to the engine, since there is only a tiny gap in standard guise:
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(on the right the turbo; on the left the block)

So I made filling plates to compensate for the loss of distance between turbo and block. This also lead to the need of 2 gaskets per exhaust port; one on every side of the filler plate. To keep everything securely in place, the filler plates and gaskets were located on the manifold by small guidance pins (sorry, forgot to take pictures)...

But all this was needed to do this:
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Due to the extra plates and gaskets, it was a real pain to assemble, but it did fit!
Now, you'll be asking "what's the gain of all this effort?" More to that in a next post...
 

DieselFan

Honorary ///Member
There are versions of the stainless steal manifold in cast which would have better flow. However they don't have individual runners. But neither does the original cast.

Looking forward to the results
 

netercol

New member
not looking to start arguments, but on a diesel its not that much about raw flow, but much more about gas velocity.. important to get the turbo up to speed as soon as possible.

i once experimented with a 320d cast manifold, flowed it extensively, ended up changing the boost characteristics of the turbo so much (lag!) that i had to source a replacement manifold again..

that is why the factory did not care that much about flow restrictions in the manifold, it just does not matter that much..
 

DieselFan

Honorary ///Member
netercol said:
not looking to start arguments, but on a diesel its not that much about raw flow, but much more about gas velocity.. important to get the turbo up to speed as soon as possible.

i once experimented with a 320d cast manifold, flowed it extensively, ended up changing the boost characteristics of the turbo so much (lag!) that i had to source a replacement manifold again..

that is why the factory did not care that much about flow restrictions in the manifold, it just does not matter that much..
Depends if you're going to go bigger turbo or not, in my opinion you can have a bit more flow and have the 2 banks seperated with a bigger turbo.
 

Kish2604

Administrator
Staff member
Impressed with the handywork...

Looking foward to more results and topics like this!:clapper:
 

ernest maurice

New member
Was just wondering what benefits do you get by moving the turbo away from the block. Is it to make the turbo run cooler and thus prolong it's lifespan? Won't moving the unit further from the engine jeopadise efficiency as distance which your air has to pass are now increased or maybe you are just doing it so as to have space to fit a bigger turbo which wouldn't fit if you had used original setup? Just wondering.
 

bjzwart

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There are versions of the stainless steal manifold in cast which would have better flow. However they don't have individual runners. But neither does the original cast.
I knew before I started, but I like DIY, am stubborn and would like to save on money to keep for other parts.

not looking to start arguments, but on a diesel its not that much about raw flow, but much more about gas velocity.. important to get the turbo up to speed as soon as possible.
You are quite right, also supported by my tuner who made a nice tubular manifold for a VAG TDI engine, but didn't gain anything over the standard manifold...
However, I found that the holes of the manifold lining up to the cylinder head were much smaller than the actual ports in the cylinder head itself. The connection to the turbo was even worse! The manifold if it were a circle was app. 8 mm smaller in diameter than the turbo! It can be seen in the last image, where a groove of the original seal and turbo were mounted. By bleuprinting it, the connection is now made smooth and take a look at the difference in position; it's huge! This would creat such huge turbulence, that I figured with little effort I could improve it. Maybe in the end, I went a little over the top;-)

Was just wondering what benefits do you get by moving the turbo away from the block. Is it to make the turbo run cooler and thus prolong it's lifespan? Won't moving the unit further from the engine jeopadise efficiency as distance which your air has to pass are now increased or maybe you are just doing it so as to have space to fit a bigger turbo which wouldn't fit if you had used original setup? Just wondering.
Due to the welding, the manifold got warped. If I would mount it that way, it would either break the manifold, stubs in the cylinder head or something else. Therefore, I flattened it, as can be seen in the images. This however moved the turbo 2,5 mm closer to the block, which I didn't want. Therefore, I added the spacers moving it back to the original position.
 

ernest maurice

New member
Ok. I got the reason now. Are you a machinist or just an enthusiast. Am a Fitter and Turner though I hardly machine at my place of work.
 

bjzwart

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I'm a system architect by profession; I develop new coffee machines... So the work on my car is purely from an enthusiast pov. I have a fully equipped workshop at hand at my work, which I'm allowed to use in my own time, as long as there's somebody present and the machine that I need is not in use for 'official' work stuff.:rollsmile:
 
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