First Time Car Buyer Advice - Finance + Deposit or Full Cash Purchase

nabil_m_rs

Active member
Hi Guys,

Its been a minute since the last time I posted on here, hope you all good.

I'm in a bit of a tricky situation here which I feel needs some advice and different perspectives. My eldest nephew who is more like a little brother to me due to us only being a few years apart in age is looking to buy his very first car with his very own hard earned money. He has recently completed his graduate programme 4 months prior to contract termination date and has got permanent placement in his company, giving him the financial stability he needs, which I'm pretty happy for him about.

Him and I are pretty close as I mentioned, I'm usually the first person he comes to talk to about absolutely anything he needs help with. In this case, he's in the market to buy his first ever car on his own, being a 2014 F30 320d M sport he saw going for R190k via private seller. From the time he was a child, he's always wanted a BMW. How he goes about doing this is by putting down atleast R100k deposit, and financing the rest of the amount via installments. He definitely knows his stuff well when it comes to cars, especially BMWs. He has already factored in his current expenses, as well as the potential expenses of the car such as Insurance, tracker, fuel, maintenance, etc... He plans to pay it off a lot sooner than anticipated and he's well aware of settlement penalty fees.

The only thing thats slowing him down from doing is definitely his parents as they only want him to do a full cash deal and to them, credit and finance is "bad". I prefer to not go into detail about things like this, but with that said, his parents have made a few financial and reckless mistakes in their lives, hence why they are so against him taking the car on finance. He actually even told me that he doesn't want to let them know or get them involved with this, hence why he came to speak to me about it. Having grown up with one of his parents as my eldest sibling my entire life, I actually feel like they do need to back off a bit and let him do and make his own decisions as an adult, even though it really isn't my place as I do not have kids of my own.

Personally though regarding his decision, cash will always be the best deal for anything, but if he's able to afford the repayments as well as the other costs of owning the car, I honestly don't see an issue with his approach. He's a good and a wise kid, I feel he's smart enough to consider everything he needs to. I think he's just a bit nervous due to his parental background and he feels there might be a big issue if he does go through it that I prefer not to touch on. I took my RS3 on finance when I bought it and even though I had to pay interest on installments, I didn't really see any issue with it.

Any kind of advice, guidance and perspectives would be greatly appreciated.

Many Thanks, Nabil
 

MR_Y

Well-known member
The issue with buying a car cash (or putting a very large deposit down) is that you lock up alot of your money/savings and you cannot liquidate that in an emergency. If he has other cash on hand or access to funds over and above this massive cash outlay for the car, then buying cash can make sense.

My advice would be to finance (or buy cash) a cheaper Japanese/Korean car. Build up cash or investment reserves and then splurge for the used 320d. The 20d is reliable, but it is a still a German car and maintenance items will not be cheap.

Unless, his job is very secure and he has additional rainy day funds in hands...
 

cRed001

Active member
I don't see anything wrong with financing 90k on a vehicle. It will help him build a better credit score for later in life when he needs to acquire property.

Cash is king however, unless you a starting out in life with a trust fund or massive inheritance you will at some point need to rely on credit to acquire larger assets such as property and vehicles.
 

TBP88

Well-known member
Given it's 10ish years old, you're gonna need to be prepared for things going wrong. A young guy should rather try to get into something newer and more reliable.

If you're financing and the car is out of plan you really do need to be sure you can run the car even in the event of major things going wrong.
 

nabil_m_rs

Active member
I don't see anything wrong with financing 90k on a vehicle. It will help him build a better credit score for later in life when he needs to acquire property.

Cash is king however, unless you a starting out in life with a trust fund or massive inheritance you will at some point need to rely on credit to acquire larger assets such as property and vehicles.
Is he living with his parents?
Tell him to spend the money on moving out and paying rent.
Yeah he still lives with them.

He eventually does want to move out and I advised him to, but I think to get from A and B, he wants to get the car first. To me, it does make sense for him to get a car since he does travel a lot for work purposes and other things. Would also help his parents in a way as they don't have to worry about picking him up and dropping him off, meaning less fuel spent by them.
 

nabil_m_rs

Active member
Given it's 10ish years old, you're gonna need to be prepared for things going wrong. A young guy should rather try to get into something newer and more reliable.

If you're financing and the car is out of plan you really do need to be sure you can run the car even in the event of major things going wrong.
I did advise him to look at something cheaper to maintain like a Kia Rio or a Polo TSI, but his heart is set on a BMW 😐. Kid is spot on with his stuff when it comes to maintenance and issues. I think its safe to say he knows what he's getting himself into by buying a used BMW.

Looking at what's in the new market right now at that price, he's very limited in options. Only things are those small cars like the Kwid, Picanto, Agya, etc.. No hate on those cars, but I drove a Kwid as a rental car when my RS3 went in, and my God what a piece of S**t that thing was. In other words, if I were in his position looking at a car around that price, I would definitely choose that very same out of warranty nearly 10 year old BMW 320d/i with all its problems over any of those cars :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:.

But let's see what the kid decides
 

TBP88

Well-known member
I did advise him to look at something cheaper to maintain like a Kia Rio or a Polo TSI, but his heart is set on a BMW 😐. Kid is spot on with his stuff when it comes to maintenance and issues. I think its safe to say he knows what he's getting himself into by buying a used BMW.

Looking at what's in the new market right now at that price, he's very limited in options. Only things are those small cars like the Kwid, Picanto, Agya, etc.. No hate on those cars, but I drove a Kwid as a rental car when my RS3 went in, and my God what a piece of S**t that thing was. In other words, if I were in his position looking at a car around that price, I would definitely choose that very same out of warranty nearly 10 year old BMW 320d/i with all its problems over any of those cars :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:.

But let's see what the kid decides
Lets just play a brief hypothetical here.

Say he gets a 10yr old 320d (i assume it's an auto?) and the gearbox goes pop. Labour+parts you're probably talking R50k+ for that job?

Can he stomach that? Will his folks loan him the money?

A 320d isn't exactly "a dream car", where you're willing to put yourself into a potentially financial situation for.

I'd advise, if a BMW is his dream, that he try to get something a bit older and cheaper where he can pay cash, and then have some change to keep it running (say an E36 or e46).

I'm pretty sure a 325ti E46 is like R75k for a decent one, that leaves him 25k in a kitty for running it and means he has no monthly payment so he can save up more for a serious machine later in his 20s.
 

Benji

Well-known member
Tell him to use the money to move out of his parents house lol. If the kid is earning his own money, I think it is his to do with as he wishes, and the fact that he has managed to save 100k, shows that he does not tend to be reckless.

Id say put a 70k deposit on the car, keep the 30k for a potential maintenance issue on an old BMW (or deposit on a rental apartment), finance the rest over 5 years, but try and pay the car off over 2 years if he can afford it. Remember he is now also earning the least he is ever going to earn with hopefully large salary increases in the next year.

This is what I did with my first "proper" car purchase and it worked out well as I had a 15k bill a few months into ownership for a new turbo. The 5 year lease period was also ideal for those protracted January and February months as I was repaying in the region of 2k a month. I was otherwise fairly religious in paying 4k a month and eventually paid the car off in under 2 years.

He is young and can afford to learn by bumping his head a bit. Life is too short to drive shit cars
 

///M Individual

Well-known member
Tell him to use the money to move out of his parents house lol. If the kid is earning his own money, I think it is his to do with as he wishes, and the fact that he has managed to save 100k, shows that he does not tend to be reckless.

Id say put a 70k deposit on the car, keep the 30k for a potential maintenance issue on an old BMW (or deposit on a rental apartment), finance the rest over 5 years, but try and pay the car off over 2 years if he can afford it. Remember he is now also earning the least he is ever going to earn with hopefully large salary increases in the next year.

This is what I did with my first "proper" car purchase and it worked out well as I had a 15k bill a few months into ownership for a new turbo. The 5 year lease period was also ideal for those protracted January and February months as I was repaying in the region of 2k a month. I was otherwise fairly religious in paying 4k a month and eventually paid the car off in under 2 years.

He is young and can afford to learn by bumping his head a bit. Life is too short to drive shit cars

100% agree with this!

The fact that he has chosen one of BMW's most reliable cars gives some comfort on this.

On a sidenote what was that first proper car Benji?
 

jld010

Active member
Kid is still early 20s and these fools want him to move out and pay rent to a landlord..talk about wasting money..

A decade old 320d is a mistake..buy a cheaper built car..stay away from German until he is able to buy a low mileage in plan car that he can truly afford.
 
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