Facelift Incoming??

TypeRSA

New member
Heya guys,

Been a while since I've chatted on here. I am still looking at getting the M135i. But with the new M235i and what looks to be a facelift to the current 1 series. I am not so sure if I should rather wait. I am a first time BMW buyer and do not know what they do and how often they facelift their cars. Please see post below:

http://www.babybmw.net/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=49161

Should I rather wait a while or just buy now? Like the M135i and M235i a lot!! Just do not want to buy a car now that will undergo a facelift soon.

Thanks
 

Hugo_za

Well-known member
According to numerous sources the F20 could see a face-lift being unveiled later this year since the current F20 design was not well received at all, and it looks out of place given the design language used in the other lines of F-cars.

The Coupe/Cabriolet 1-series will fade into history since they are being replaced by the 2-series.
 

distilledsilver

New member
I doubt bmw will break their mid-lifecycle facelift routine, I.E. 3.5 years, for the 1 series. Sales are very good. That will put it at roughly late 2014.

So you can wait all that time and put in an order for one of the first batches of facelift models, but the price difference between then makings the resale benefit of having a facelift model a bit irrelevant.

Or hussle a big discount on an old stock pre-facelift once the facelift is introduced.

Or just buy it now and enjoy it. There is always something new in the pipeline, be it a facelift or new engines or new technology. BMW only put their latest generation of navigation in 1 series from March 2013 build for example. So maybe I should have waited instead of ordering my car in January. But there was an 11% price increase in march as well. So.. did I want to wait and pay 11% more for better nav?
 

Crash_Nemesis

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BMW generally facelift their cars every 3 years. The F20 1 series is getting a facelift after 1 year mostly because as Hugo_Za pointed out, it was not widely well received and did look out of place. Funny thing is, it has grown on me, even though I hated it at first when it was released.

Power will be the same, its just the lights and bumpers that usually change on the models.
 

InFrA007

New member
moranor@axis said:
cant come soon enough :fencelook:

Can't agree more, 1 series to me looks incoherant and downright fugly from the front and from the back waaaay too similar to a Polo...
 
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Josh-ZN

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Crash_Nemesis said:
BMW generally facelift their cars every 3 years. The F20 1 series is getting a facelift after 1 year mostly because as Hugo_Za pointed out, it was not widely well received and did look out of place. Funny thing is, it has grown on me, even though I hated it at first when it was released.

Power will be the same, its just the lights and bumpers that usually change on the models.

+1 grown on me too but only the 1 series with sports pack. dont care much for the plain jane ones.
 

Shak

///Member
There's also a good chance that they're going to offer launch control on the auto versions. I think that's worth waiting for.
 

TypeRSA

New member
Shak said:
There's also a good chance that they're going to offer launch control on the auto versions. I think that's worth waiting for.

Yeah, that is what I was thinking too. Hopefully they will also stick the new 3 series steering wheel in the 1 series.
 

St Lunatic

///Member
buy the M135i then put your name down for the M235i and trade her in.

Either way you are getting a brilliant little car with a monster engine and gearbox!

GO FOR IT!
 

NavZ

Active member
TypeRSA said:
Yeah, that is what I was thinking too. Hopefully they will also stick the new 3 series steering wheel in the 1 series.

The 4 series steering is the one you should wish for :idea:
 

ASH

New member
How quickly was the X1 facelifted?

distilledsilver said:
I doubt bmw will break their mid-lifecycle facelift routine, I.E. 3.5 years, for the 1 series. Sales are very good. That will put it at roughly late 2014.

So you can wait all that time and put in an order for one of the first batches of facelift models, but the price difference between then makings the resale benefit of having a facelift model a bit irrelevant.

Or hussle a big discount on an old stock pre-facelift once the facelift is introduced.

Or just buy it now and enjoy it. There is always something new in the pipeline, be it a facelift or new engines or new technology. BMW only put their latest generation of navigation in 1 series from March 2013 build for example. So maybe I should have waited instead of ordering my car in January. But there was an 11% price increase in march as well. So.. did I want to wait and pay 11% more for better nav?
 

distilledsilver

New member


ASH said:
How quickly was the X1 facelifted?

Wikipedia puts says production started in 2009 and the facelift has just come a few months ago:thumbs:


Crash_Nemesis said:
BMW generally facelift their cars every 3 years. The F20 1 series is getting a facelift after 1 year mostly because as Hugo_Za pointed out, it was not widely well received and did look out of place. Funny thing is, it has grown on me, even though I hated it at first when it was released.

Power will be the same, its just the lights and bumpers that usually change on the models.


So.. that means it should have been facelifted a year ago as production started in 2011.

It needs to be taken into account that a facelifted vehicle needs to be designed and tested and there needs to be a change over at the factory. In europe this change over just takes place during their summer. where a lot of their factory workers on are vacation (sort of like. S.A. in the dec/jan period.)

There are also the scales of profitability. Simply put a part such as a headlight needs to be manufactured X amount of times, dividing the development and manufacturing among a certain number of cars to ensure every part is built at a certain cost.

In the case of the previous 1 series the benefit of introducing a coupe and convertible at a later staged allowed them to facelift the car earlier and use a better standard of interior primarily (exterior changes were quite small but I'm fairly sure they shared of lot of parts for the front of the car like the kidney grilles and headlights)

which was more expensive to make, but was able to spread the cost over the new coupe and convertible as well as remaining hatch sales.

So, I'm of the opinion that the F20/F21 also has what I think is a very good quality interior because it is also part sharing with 3 series models as well as the upcoming 2 series coupe and convertible.

Also if you have a look at sales figures for May for 2013 in S.A, the BMW sold 487 1 series. The A3 only sold 375 and they have the benefit of a completely new model line up (excluding the convertible, but I don't think bmw are selling many coupes or convertibles right now either. The new S3 isnt available yet, either but I don't think that will sell in high volumes), with no stock shortages.

Mercedes sold 223 A classes, but they have major stock shortages so its not a good reflection of what sales it can achieve. So even in our relatively small market, I don't believe the 1 series is underachieving

Facelifting a car early is only a last resort as is facelifting it extensively. audi follow roughly the same formula as bmw. Mercedes on the other hand seem to facelift their cars very extensively and launch and market them hard to gain a second wind of sales.

It's a different business model as especially top end models seem to stagnant sales wise, one could assume anybody who wanted one would have already bought one, and they don't want to buy another one, they want something different.

Attractive finances schemes also don't work as well on more expensive cars. Especially as they tend to depreciate more (compare a 7 series to a 3 series)
 
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