E46 M3 Dyno Run

[thireshan]

I thought that the M3 was supposed to peak @ 7900 RPM.:thinking:
Why the drop off at 7000?:dunno:

maybe if there was insufficient airflow(dyno fan),98 fuel was supposed to be used,intake needed to be colder,etc. :dunno:

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@kabal did u do a before an after run when you fitted the intake?

unfortunately not

what make intake have u got?

 

[kabal]

turner motorsport

 

[Dean ///M]

Z4 M Coupe - Coastal air///:dropjaw:

Who said M cars don't push out 252kw's at the fly. At da coast they almost push that atw's. Kzn home of the strongest 6A & M
car's.

 

[Shahaad]

I hate to sound stupid but these are all figures at the wheels right?

If you see along the y axis it reads Engine power and on other printouts it reads Ambient power..........:dunno:

Are these the same or not??? The dyno i attended gave both at fly wheel and at the wheels, just cant remember which is which.........:hammerhead:

 

[Smooth-ZN]

@ Loco, what mods did you do btw the two runs? The Lower Graph is Much Smoother than the higher one, and the Torque Graph is very wavy on the Higher run, whats causing it? Two different ambients, Nice Power there Loco! Did you run it on a Dyno at the coast?
Saw the car parked in the Dyno line at AutoStyle in dbn, but you dint run it... Your CSL looks Tops as well, Black is the Best:thumb:

 

[Mahen]

Did anyone dyno the same vehicles at the coast?

 

[MikeR]

oooh I need to move to the coast for some reason.:thumbsup:

Z4 M Coupe - Coastal air///:dropjaw:

Who said M cars don't push out 252kw's at the fly. At da coast they almost push that atw's. Kzn home of the strongest 6A & M
car's.

 

[Sherwin@xcede]

@ Loco, what mods did you do btw the two runs?

Cam's took it up to 207kw & tuning to take advantage of th extra airflow took it up to 230kw.

The Lower Graph is Much Smoother than the higher one,

Thanks, that's our stage 2 custom remap. It is pretty darn smooth, ain't it?

and the Torque Graph is very wavy on the Higher run, whats causing it?

Yeah well, aggressive cams are never gonna' be as smooth as stock ones. Such is life.

Two different ambients,

22nd November to 15th December. I dunno' eh, I rate the odds that the ambients will be the same almost a month apart are pretty slim. 3% is pretty small change, but hey different day, different ambients.

Did you run it on a Dyno at the coast?

No he didn't but Andre ran his CSL with no hardware, at ODR & made 358hp on the wheels. No racefuel or any other funny fuels as well. Fuel from the bowser. I think there's a video of the run on youtube.

 

[Smooth-ZN]

That's gud stuff man... Put 5bob and try again, the graph will get cleaner and that car will be much Faster!
I don't know how those dyno things work hey, I'll try 20 diff days with the same two different ambients and see if the power changes....
Andre car is strong man, nice to see it run at a track if he decides to run it.
Loco's car should make nice power @ the coast

 

[Sherwin@xcede]

That's gud stuff man... Put 5bob and try again, the graph will get cleaner and that car will be much Faster!

Thanks, but I think it's already the fastest CSL in the country. Haven't seen any other fast CSL's graphs to comment. Was a bit hotter on the 2nd graph & the fan is pretty small. But I'm sure you're aware of the intricacies of tuning a speed density system for cams with higher lift & duration. It will never be as smooth as the stock hardware. There are always trade-offs to me made & rougher cams or bigger turbops with more lag or whatever else one does, there is always a downside. Maybe Batty can gove his comments as I don't think there is any problem on the road. Maybe a 20km/h fan when the car is doing 170km/h on the dyno is not ideal for cooling the fluids during a power run.

I don't know how those dyno things work hey, I'll try 20 diff days with the same two different ambients and see if the power changes....

Different days have different temperatures. The before run was done in mid November at night. The after run was done in mid December during the day, on a much hotter. I don't think 3% is anything to write home about anyway. Exiting 180 on an uphill track on pump fuel I think proves the power it makes.

Loco's car should make nice power @ the coast

Based on the logs I have, I rate about 380hp at ODR. But that's just a guess.

 

[Smooth-ZN]

Nobodyelse really concentrates on csl because of the SMG that limits you on launching the CSL to do its Full Potential, Csl makes a lot of Power on the dyno as you know, but it is a bit different on the road, the same csl of andre's has been beaten by his friends normally aspirated 4dr M3, I don't think the 4dr makes as much power as the Csl but its in front of it on Tongaat toll,

I'll Post a Tuned CSL graph, only this will be at the dyno in pmb, didn't run on any dyno in dbn yet.
Nice power there, again when u guys are in dbn with Loco we can roll with a normal M3 and see what factor the wavy Torque graph will play!

 

[PRAVEEN M]

@ Loco, what mods did you do btw the two runs? The Lower Graph is Much Smoother than the higher one, and the Torque Graph is very wavy on the Higher run, whats causing it? Two different ambients, Nice Power there Loco! Did you run it on a Dyno at the coast?
Saw the car parked in the Dyno line at AutoStyle in dbn, but you dint run it... Your CSL looks Tops as well, Black is the Best:thumb:

I also saw that good looking csl at the dyno day,but it didnt do any run.The strongest m3 e46 was a white smg it won hands down 249.6kw on the rear wheels 2nd was a red e46 m3 199kw on the wheels the white car belongs to a guy by the name of Deeren from durban.the guy that was doing the dyno said that was the strongest e46 on his dyno.Dats crazy power for aspirated car

 

[Sherwin@xcede]

250kw is pretty good. This CSL on this dyno make 358hp on ODR which is 267kw on the wheels. It has no hardware. We have another E46 M3 which makes more power than this. I reckon our Stage 3 E46 should make around 275-280 wkw.

Please note Praveen, I'm not looking to argue with you or FTW. I'm just stating the facts of what an S54 can make on the rollers at sea-level. Maybe they dog slow on the road, who knows? But 270 wheel kw is possible with minor mods.

 

[FTW]

250kw is pretty good. This CSL on this dyno make 358hp on ODR which is 267kw on the wheels. It has no hardware. We have another E46 M3 which makes more power than this. I reckon our Stage 3 E46 should make around 275-280 wkw.

Please note Praveen, I'm not looking to argue with you or FTW. I'm just stating the facts of what an S54 can make on the rollers at sea-level. Maybe they dog slow on the road, who knows? But 270 wheel kw is possible with minor mods.

I saw my name mentioned here however I haven't been associated with this thread. Not really into dyno tuning as a competition but Sherwin is ryt. S54 can make good power down here. I stay away from threads like this as I am sure we all know how dynos differ, under read and over read. So I'm not into all this, we use this just for tuning our cars. Yes Dereen has put his car on the dyno. We believe that the autostyle dyno under reads by 20kw as we made significantly diff power with our cars on our dyno. )

Would have been nice to see that hot black CSL up against Dereen on the dyno since then I'm sure both cars have had significant mods to them. Here are some of our figures for a few of our cars on our dyno. Note we do not publish these as we do not want to have debates, its our figures which is relative to our performance in the drag events.

Mahen - E46 manual - 290kw atw ( non meth) PMB
Mahen - E46 manual - 320kw atw (methanol) PMB
Dereen - E46 SMG - 282kw atw (non meth) PMB
E46 M3 with gas - 382.3kw atw PMB

So key message here I think is "yes, S54 has huge potential on the rollers at the coast" as sherwin put it

P.S, I didn't debate ur figures and our figures are not open to debate. Our figures are relative to our performance in the classes they hold records to.

No arguments from me Praveen and Sherwin..huge power gains down here!

 

[PRAVEEN M]

250kw is pretty good. This CSL on this dyno make 358hp on ODR which is 267kw on the wheels. It has no hardware. We have another E46 M3 which makes more power than this. I reckon our Stage 3 E46 should make around 275-280 wkw.

Please note Praveen, I'm not looking to argue with you or FTW. I'm just stating the facts of what an S54 can make on the rollers at sea-level. Maybe they dog slow on the road, who knows? But 270 wheel kw is possible with minor mods.

Sherwin i was not talking about ODR dyno and wat your cars make at that dyno,i was talking about the dyno at autostyle where two m3 where on the same dyno ,same day both with software and decat and the difference of 50kw between both cars.that white m3 is very strong on the dyno maybe at the next autostyle dyno day you could get the CSL that makes 270kw and try it against this white smg on the same dyno on the same day if logistics would allow you to do so.:excited:

 

[PRAVEEN M]

Well Ok that's greata, what a car made on an autostyle mobile dyno with or without gas. I don't think anyone particularly cares. That dyno comes up tp Jhb for events as well. It is well known not to be consistent. A C63 made like 500kw normally aspirated on that same dyno at the Rand show a few years ago. It's a bit of laughing stock. So even if Deeren didn't have the gas on, the dyno could still be suspect.

ODR's dyno has been around for years, it's a permanent dyno, & it is well respected. So let's stick to that gentlemen. That OK?
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you never got anything good to say about anybodys car,i remember your v8 m3 it ran in margate sumtime ago 13.5 iesh dat was bad e36 m3 were doing 13.3.So you see two can play at that game learn to give credit to people who are not xcede as well.By the way CLEO GOT FOR XCEDE:hammerhead:

 

[M3_FTW]

Well Ok that's greata, what a car made on an autostyle mobile dyno with or without gas. I don't think anyone particularly cares. That dyno comes up tp Jhb for events as well. It is well known not to be consistent. A C63 made like 500kw normally aspirated on that same dyno at the Rand show a few years ago. It's a bit of laughing stock. So even if Deeren didn't have the gas on, the dyno could still be suspect.

ODR's dyno has been around for years, it's a permanent dyno, & it is well respected. So let's stick to that gentlemen. That OK?
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you never got anything good to say about anybodys car,i remember your v8 m3 it ran in margate sumtime ago 13.5 iesh dat was bad e36 m3 were doing 13.3.So you see two can play at that game learn to give credit to people who are not xcede as well.By the way CLEO GOT FOR XCEDE:hammerhead:

WTF, is this an English forum. I see what you are typing but it makes absolutely no fucking sense.

That mobile dyno is a piece of shit. Everyone knows it.

 

[PRAVEEN M]

Well Ok that's greata, what a car made on an autostyle mobile dyno with or without gas. I don't think anyone particularly cares. That dyno comes up tp Jhb for events as well. It is well known not to be consistent. A C63 made like 500kw normally aspirated on that same dyno at the Rand show a few years ago. It's a bit of laughing stock. So even if Deeren didn't have the gas on, the dyno could still be suspect.

ODR's dyno has been around for years, it's a permanent dyno, & it is well respected. So let's stick to that gentlemen. That OK?
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you never got anything good to say about anybodys car,i remember your v8 m3 it ran in margate sumtime ago 13.5 iesh dat was bad e36 m3 were doing 13.3.So you see two can play at that game learn to give credit to people who are not xcede as well.By the way CLEO GOT FOR XCEDE:hammerhead:

WTF, is this an English forum. I see what you are typing but it makes absolutely no fucking sense.

That mobile dyno is a piece of shit. Everyone knows it.

Ok.im not fighting with anybody,you guys says its a shit dyno fair enough.But 270kw csl getting beat by an e36 m3 on the tongaat toll maybe you guys should check the dyno that gave 270kw reading cause maybe on that day it was more screwed than the autostyle dyno,

 

[Sherwin@xcede]

you never got anything good to say about anybodys car

I was talking about a mobile dyno. Not the car. Deeren is a personal friend of mine, I would not say anything bad about his car. What you on about? That dyno is inconsistent. Don't take it personally.

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But 270kw csl getting beat by an e36 m3 on the tongaat toll

I heard the CSL won. Who you believe will depend on convincing each driver's story is. Anyway, that doesn't matter. We talking what power the car made on the dyno. How it runs on the road is a different story. All the CSL's tend to start riding the clutch when they make decent power & rev high. So sometime there's factors on the road that wouldn't show on the dyno.

cause maybe on that day it was more screwed than the autostyle dyno,

Are you trying to imply ODR's dyno reads wrong? Maybe go discuss it with them. It's a dam uncorrected loading dyno. It reads the same for the last 10 years.

 

[PRAVEEN M]

you never got anything good to say about anybodys car

I was talking about a mobile dyno. Not the car. Deeren is a personal friend of mine, I would not say anything bad about his car. What you on about? That dyno is inconsistent. Don't take it personally.

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But 270kw csl getting beat by an e36 m3 on the tongaat toll

I heard the CSL won. Who you believe will depend on convincing each driver's story is. Anyway, that doesn't matter. We talking what power the car made on the dyno. How it runs on the road is a different story. All the CSL's tend to start riding the clutch when they make decent power & rev high. So sometime there's factors on the road that wouldn't show on the dyno.

cause maybe on that day it was more screwed than the autostyle dyno,

Are you trying to imply ODR's dyno reads wrong? Maybe go discuss it with them. It's a dam uncorrected loading dyno. It reads the same for the last 10 years.

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Fair enough,Deeren is also a friend of mine.Its will be nice to see sum xcede 6a cars against the chip logic 6a cars at the next mtubatuba.