DSC

[andrewbuch]

Moranor, Just also test something for me.. Pull the fuse for the DSC out & test what happens.. Cause for the Skidpan It would make it easier to keep the fuse out for the day, cause then would not have to keep remembering to turn ASC off each time the car is started..

I might do Clutchplates trick next skidpan day, cause then no ABS will be a great learning experience

 

[Sankekur]

That is interesting, I wonder, by ABS they probably refer to the braking of the wheels and not the ABS as a whole.

The first stage (half off) seems to be what you are looking for if I am not mistake. Of course now you are forced to test this out all in the name of science

Moranor, Just also test something for me.. Pull the fuse for the DSC out & test what happens.. Cause for the Skidpan It would make it easier to keep the fuse out for the day, cause then would not have to keep remembering to turn ASC off each time the car is started..

I might do Clutchplates trick next skidpan day, cause then no ABS will be a great learning experience

Plug out the fuse and just check waht happens, if the cluster lights up like a chistmas tree then you will now that everything is off, as that is what happen when I plug my system out.

 

[moranor@axis]

i trust ABS 100% so would never want to turn it off...
im a bit worried about pulling the fuse and getting an error message that i have to get cleared so dont think ill do that
im just hoping my 1999 year model has duel stage DSC :dunno:

 

[moranor@axis]

ok so now i have had time to test it properly and i dont have duel stage DSC
when you hold the button it down for 5 sec the only difference is that it wont turn back on unless you turn the car off and on again

im thinking of trying to get duel stage from a wrecked face lift model but i got no idea how interchangeable they are...

 

[andrewbuch]

+1 for the single stage sucking balls

Mine only works for the throttle, If I go into a corner too fast & change down into 2nd & dont touch the Gas then the car spins around with traction control doing nothing at all

 

[moranor@axis]

scary im glad i dont have asc i think useing the brakes to control the car is awesome but i hate it when it cuts the power

 

[applehero]

I had a re-read through this thread...

well on my car it says DSC on the button so im guessing some pre F/L had DSC

i like my ABS so ill keep that...

do you know what exacty half off means? (no cutting engine but still uses back brakes?)

Basically (for my 1 series at least) the system has 3 settings. 1) DTC (Dynamic Traction Control) and ASC (Automatic Stability Control) on. This prevents any wheel spin (due to too much gas or not enough traction through corners) and automatically corrects the car according to position of the steering wheel (while monitoring alot of other parameters). 2) DTC off, ASC on. This allows one to spin the wheels as long as the car does not go into a dangerous spin. 3) DTC and ASC off. There is no intervention from either system. If you're gonna hit something, it's you that's gonna have to pull it back.

The ASC monitors accelerometer(s) to determine if the car is going out of control. I turned off my system completely the other night, and was awesome. Wasn't alot of rain but the feeling was absolutely amazing. I do suggest you drive your "drifting route" first to make sure there's no oil or anything on the road. And you'll be fine. Attend a skidpan day or two. That helps alot. :thumbsup:

Moranor, Just also test something for me.. Pull the fuse for the DSC out & test what happens.. Cause for the Skidpan It would make it easier to keep the fuse out for the day, cause then would not have to keep remembering to turn ASC off each time the car is started..

I might do Clutchplates trick next skidpan day, cause then no ABS will be a great learning experience

I'm sure pulling the fuse will bring up an error - so you'll have to reset the error on a diagnostic machine. If I'm not mistaken...

 

[Truvalu]

This what you want???

http://www.bmwfanatics.co.za/showthread.php?tid=11545

 

[applehero]

This what you want???

http://www.bmwfanatics.co.za/showthread.php?tid=11545

Well of course not... :thumb: If you know the road conditions before hand, and don't have a high powered car. (Like my 120d, and perhaps moranor's 323i - no offence man) You should be okay. Anything with three litres or more, you'll need some serious skill.

And lets be honest, if this is your first time getting the back out, it shouldn't be on the road anyway. :thumbsup:

 

[andrewbuch]

Skidpan for the win

 

[Iceman007]

DSC is there for a reason. Dont mess with it. If you switch it off you might end up on the side of the road in a ditch tree or pole. There is usually only two reasons to switch it of and thats when you dice from Robot to robot or when it is faulty. Thats what the button is there for. Mine is iether on or off and there is no Half function not even in the manual it talks of a half function. I know at higher speed above 60 it allows a bit more traction loss and does not cut all the power. If you want diffirent settings buy a new M3 with "I" drive.

If you have a 318 320 just leave it because your power is to little anyway. Like some guys that I get on the road cant they read trying to dice me with a 318i or 320i. there is a reason 325i written on my back and I know I cant win a 330i so whats up with these guys

 

[Sankekur]

There is most definitely a two stage function on the DSC.

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And there are some other reasons to turn it off than the ones you stated, around our area we have some very steep and slippery inclines which are almost impossible to pull away on with the ASC bit on (part that cuts the power), so turn it off and the car pulls away fine. Plus if you want to have some fun on a skidpan it is nice to be able to turn the stuff off.

 

[moranor@axis]

"there is a reason 325i written on my back and I know I cant win a 330i so whats up with these guys"

?

with the 6 speed swap i have done and the ratio i am running my car is quicker than yours and im probably using less fuel than you also... that is whats up with me...

I want duel stage dsc so it will operate like an lsd because and lsd is 15k so it seems like an elegant solution

If you happy with the way your car is out the box then keep it that way... id did not tell you to turn you dsc off or try "win a 330i"

 

[andrewbuch]

There is most definitely a two stage function on the DSC.



And there are some other reasons to turn it off than the ones you stated, around our area we have some very steep and slippery inclines which are almost impossible to pull away on with the ASC bit on (part that cuts the power), so turn it off and the car pulls away fine. Plus if you want to have some fun on a skidpan it is nice to be able to turn the stuff off.

Some E46 m3's only have single stage DSC as well...

 

[moranor@axis]

if you press and hold you dsc button for 5 seconds and your dsc light and hand brake light come on you have duel stage like Sankekur from the research i have done most F/L e46 should have it...

 

[Iceman007]

"there is a reason 325i written on my back and I know I cant win a 330i so whats up with these guys"

?

with the 6 speed swap i have done and the ratio i am running my car is quicker than yours and im probably using less fuel than you also... that is whats up with me...

I want duel stage dsc so it will operate like an lsd because and lsd is 15k so it seems like an elegant solution

If you happy with the way your car is out the box then keep it that way... id did not tell you to turn you dsc off or try "win a 330i"

If you in cpt ill take you on for a dice just to see for intrest sake if it improves the performance on your 323 or not. The 323's ive taken on always stay behind by a cars length and mor if its an Auto

 

[moranor@axis]

there is no IF about it more torque = better acceleration...

im not in cpt

all im trying to say is just because you like your car stock doesn't mean everyone should just give up modding their cars
if you do it right you will see gains if you do just slap every performance part you can find on you will just change how the car behaves and make it unreliable

 

[Iceman007]

DSC is there for a reason. Dont mess with it. If you switch it off you might end up on the side of the road in a ditch tree or pole. There is usually only two reasons to switch it of and thats when you dice from Robot to robot or when it is faulty. Thats what the button is there for. Mine is iether on or off and there is no Half function not even in the manual it talks of a half function. I know at higher speed above 60 it allows a bit more traction loss and does not cut all the power. If you want diffirent settings buy a new M3 with "I" drive.

If you have a 318 320 just leave it because your power is to little anyway. Like some guys that I get on the road cant they read trying to dice me with a 318i or 320i. there is a reason 325i written on my back and I know I cant win a 330i so whats up with these guys

Ok mine has the 2 stage but the car must be stationary and igniton on before you able to do the 2 stage thing. Have not tested it yet.

 

[moranor@axis]

if i had 2 stage i dont think i would turn it completely off often...
I just want it to give me a little more rope i dont want enough to hang myself...

 

[andrewbuch]

if i had 2 stage i dont think i would turn it completely off often...
I just want it to give me a little more rope i dont want enough to hang myself...

The times I turn my ASC off:

1) Skidpan (Obviously)
2) Wide open, empty smooth concrete parking lots Just for a small drift or 2
3) When I need to do a fast pull off (When crossing a busy street) & it gets put back on before I am into 2nd gear