discussion Diesel prices

WIDEOPN-X5

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For those interested. They can remove our biggest power station, and we still wouldn't have load shedding.

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This is interesting. We're in the Berg at the moment and this morning the power went off at exactly 04h00 and returned at 07h03..... is that "load curtailment"? Load shedding? or maybe Underberg Municipality hasn't paid the bill to Eskom??
 

Pisancho

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This is interesting. We're in the Berg at the moment and this morning the power went off at exactly 04h00 and returned at 07h03..... is that "load curtailment"? Load shedding? or maybe Underberg Municipality hasn't paid the bill to Eskom??
Can be anything really. The primary issue is that the Munis aren't doing maintenance, which is why Eskom is threatening to take over a lot of the Munis' distribution network.

The Munis are also not paying. Quite a few areas in JHB, for example, are being threatened by Eskom that they will start Load reduction or switching off until the bills are settled. I recall the Munis owing Eskom over 100 billion.

The other one is load reduction. Illegal connections lead to the transformers overheating, so they kill the power in intervals to protect the transformers, which looks like loadshedding. Typically common in areas close to townships. Sometimes the stuff burns down and an area goes without power for days.

But it's not loadshedding.

My area, for example, has had maybe 5 power cuts in a year now that lasted some 1 to 3 hours. Mostly during the rainy season with lightning. My colleagues echo similar experiences. I am based in the Northwold area, and my colleagues are in Midrand.
 

TBP88

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Can be anything really. The primary issue is that the Munis aren't doing maintenance, which is why Eskom is threatening to take over a lot of the Munis' distribution network.

The Munis are also not paying. Quite a few areas in JHB, for example, are being threatened by Eskom that they will start Load reduction or switching off until the bills are settled. I recall the Munis owing Eskom over 100 billion.

The other one is load reduction. Illegal connections lead to the transformers overheating, so they kill the power in intervals to protect the transformers, which looks like loadshedding. Typically common in areas close to townships. Sometimes the stuff burns down and an area goes without power for days.

But it's not loadshedding.

My area, for example, has had maybe 5 power cuts in a year now that lasted some 1 to 3 hours. Mostly during the rainy season with lightning. My colleagues echo similar experiences. I am based in the Northwold area, and my colleagues are in Midrand.
On CoCT grid, haven't had even a power failure in at least 2yrs. Again, you can never say *NEVER* in SA...
 

jld010

Active member
And here I was seriously contemplating buying a replacement for my F82. Diesel will be over R40 by end May..Petrol over R30..with the FL being reintroduced. Inflation set to sky rocket..Eksdom being Eskom..interest rates hitting an upward cycle again..a 1.4l Hyundai Getz will be my daily for the foreseeable future. Stay away from bank interest debt..it fees like a global reset is in its beginning stages..5 years left before the middle class get halved.
 

msm

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One of the things most people don’t consider with EVs is what happens when you have any type of accident. One of the issues facing the US and Europe is that EV’s become serious fire hazards when they need to be repaired - there have been reports where panel beaters/dealers park damaged EVs outside until they can assess the seriousness of the damage. Lithium batteries are dangerous when they get damaged and there’s no getting around this issue when a car is in an accident.

The difference in SA is that we are quite the accident prone nation. Even if you’re a careful driver there’s some idiot in a taxi that can still take you out…

Going to be interesting to see what happens in a few years when all these shiny new EVs come off their factory warranties and the “backyard” mechanics and dodgy 2nd hand dealers start working on them for whatever reason.
 

TurboLlew

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I'd say the reset is already well underway globally and there is already a significant reduction in the middle class in SA. More than we can 'see' yet. Check on your quiet friends. People are going through things, being functionally broke.

As they say, the middle class doesn't know how to be poor and while they can appear rich (or at least 'true' upper middle), they don't have the safety nets or assets to maintain that for much longer. This fuel 'crisis' has really highlighted this for me. There are people in fairly high paying jobs that literally won't be able to afford to come into work, it seems. There are others that are organising carpools. The difference we are talking about is a lunch or a coffee date over a week/week and a half. For many people that is now too much to bear which shows how close to the edge folks are right now.

What I really (genuinely) don't understand is why this is as big of a deal as it seems to be for people driving around in R1M rep cars, Ms and Porsches with kids in R200K/year schools.

It is beyond anyone's control. The government has done what they can to buffer it, which I appreciate as a driver of a V8. The same profiteering has happened before. The same shit is going to happen again. It's like people asking about fuel consumption or maintaining detailed reports on their M lites and Ms. Fill up and move on. Is it annoying? Yes of course.

What is the solution? Try to save money on fuel by spending R1M? Same guys try to 'save money' on maintenance by spending R1M, because they can afford R10K a month but not a R40K repair bill once a year)? Once again, I find myself unsure as to whether I am too rich or too poor to understand.

There is no blueprint for losing your status, so people suffer in total silence to maintain the facade while renting cars and trying to copy rich people things when it is a worse time than ever before to be doing these things. Mental gymnastics to settle for ever-cheaper junk (but it's new and shiny) to terror about maintaining cars and homes while using credit to mask everything as 'business as usual' to anyone outside.

As with so much of South Africa's problems (or the world's) K shaped-recovery is a thing that is 'for everyone else' not 'me'. At this point there have been so many things to recover from over such a long time, that you could zoom into each bit of the K and find an infinite number of smaller K's :ROFLMAO:

Broadly speaking though, in the "K-shaped" reality, the top of the K still has first world problems and not much has changed. Load shedding is bad, but we have solar and batteries. Water is a problem but we have boreholes and tanks and pumps. They will complain just as much about the petrol price, but will still ask for full tank 95 (while complaining bitterly) and tip R20.

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The bottom of the middle-class K is ever closer to real poverty while (falsely) believing the top of the K is beyond middle class. In South Africa's case, many professionals are in the "everyone else" portion of the K as well. This is your (now weekly) reminder that if your investments, assets, property and salary has not kept up with inflation this is not a phenomenon that has affected everyone (like the petrol price has) - it has put you into the bottom of the K. We are not 'all in anything' together as human beings.

As I mentioned in a prior thread, we talk here like we all have the same problems when it comes to new cars. The affordability is not actually one of them for many (top of the K). It is desirability. The other side is not just even affordability anymore, but rather just being able to stay afloat. At the same time, in terms of upwards mobility, the top of the K people are ever further (if not completely blocked) from skipping to the next class level.

The current global situation and fuel situation is an ever growing reminder of this.
 
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