Chip Logic E46 M3 runs a 12.3 Naturally Aspirated

[Xack]

Hi people, why must there always be a big fuss on forums, why dont people just call and enquire about mods, rather than make a big story for nothing...:drama:

Well, let me give you guys some history about Mahen's car...this car had software, dekat, and filter, and it used to run consistent 12.8s at every event, best time done was 12.7 (Full Std Interior)
Since the last event in November, we fitted a set of cams and the car now runs full meths, and it has race seats and lighter door panels.
The 1st run out saw the car doing a 12.3 @ 184kmh, when i had finished the run, the officials and Kas Moodley had askd me to return to the start line and run again to back the time up, i had explained to them that the car was Hot but they insisted that i run again, i then went back to the start line and ran a 12.4 without cooling...We are Happy with the car because there was a terrible Head wind and No Trackbite on Mtuba makes Traction a Problem, we still did a good time with wheelspin 1st and shift to 2nd, next event with some trackbite and hopefully no head wind, will see Mahen's car doing Much better times:thumbsup:

There was no red race fuel drum or racefuel, because the meths was in a white plastic container with no writing... BTW

Will Post the time when it runs at the next event:wave:

i said earlier, that it didnt matter what was done to the car...but if i look at the cars progress and mods together with the times and exit speed netted...it puts the tuning genius at hand into perspective.

Well done Chip Logic:thumbsup: Well done

 

[George Smooth]

Hey guys this is really a breakthrough to put methanol on a car & drop half a second & gain like 10 clicks trap. And what I really like is that ChipLogic actually tells us the key to this - methanol. I mean most people that had a new ingredient that works so well, would not tell everyone about it.

But no. I applaud you guys. You went out there, ran the times, & openly admitted the secret to the power is Meth. Now every guy in the street can go buy meth, put it in is car & drop half a sec & gain 10 km/h exit.

But of course, I know you guys didn't just throw it in the tank & use is like an octane booster - not that an NA car needs more than 102RON. We've all tried meth as an octane increaser. The BTU of methanol is not much higher than petrol. So my question to you is, how much work was it to convert the car to meth? Did you raise the compression ratio? What size injectors do you have? Did you change the fuel pumps? What about the fuel lines & tanks?

Also I know you would have to re-tune the car completely. I mean the AFR of Meth is nowhere near petrol & it needs double the volume. So how hard is the tuning? Don't worry, I don't plan on putting it on our cars. All our customers like to go to the Shell garage & put petrol. I'm just trying to ascertain how difficult the conversion was. If you don't want to answer, then just say so. But, I mean you guys have been so forthcoming with the reason for the performance that I have to ask. It's a breath of fresh air to see a tuner so open & honest. Well done again guys, spectacular time.

Since you a tuner yourself why don't you research yourself what the AF's should be and what size injectors need to be used etc. Its not brain science. If you follow the NA 4 cylinder class you would see there are many people putting this to good use and there is so much information available online its alarming.
If you want to talk about it being non practical why don't you just come out in the open and say it instead of using your sarcastic tone about your Shell customers. Note that the car was driven to and from the track, and not on fairy dust but using the meth as a fuel.
The car was tuned on Methanol, it was easy, the mods where minimal but it was done in such a way that it maintains daily driveability. The compression is stock on the car. The gains are from the tuning which if you make half a mistake with melts the pistons as it is easy to go lean with meth. This comes with years of a experience you will not find sitting behind a laptop or reading logs. Thus it creates a barrier to who does it and who just talks about it.
Next time you at the track if logistics allow speak to Marius Loyd or one of the NA 4 cylinder guys and they can talk meth with you.

 

[Smooth-ZN]

Hey guys this is really a breakthrough to put methanol on a car & drop half a second & gain like 10 clicks trap. And what I really like is that ChipLogic actually gives us the key to this - methanol. I mean most people that had a new ingredient that works so well, would lot tell everyone about it. Or they would hide it & try to attricute the added performance to something else - a red herring if you will.

But no. I applaud you guys. You went out there & openly admitted the secret to the power is Meth. Now every guy in the street can go buy meth, put it in is car & drop half a sec & gain 10 km/h exit.

But of course, I know you guys didn't just throw it in the tank & use is like an octane booster - not that an NA car needs more than 102RON. We've all tried meth as an octane increaser. The BTU of methanol is not much higher than petrol. So my question to you is, how much work was it to convert the car to meth? What size injectors do you have? Did you change the fuel pumps? What about the fuel lines & tanks?

Also I know you would have to re-tune the car completely. I mean the AFR of Meth is nowhere near petrol & it needs double the volume. So how hard is the tuning? Don't worry, I don't plan on putting it on our cars. All our customers like to go to the Shell garage & put petrol. I'm just trying to ascertain how difficult the conversion was. If you don't want to answer, then just say so. But, I mean you guys have been so forthcoming with the reason for the performance that I have to ask. It's a breath of fresh air to see a tuner so open & honest. Well done again guys, spectacular time.

Took you a while to ask hey!, did you have to phone a friend?
Firstly the car didnt gain 10km trap!... it gained 5-6km, its used to run 177-179km trap before:hammerhead:
It has a seperate tank and fuel pump, bigger injectors as well, the tuning was a Challenge, but i have to give Credit and Thanks to Kas Moodley for helping us with getting the tuning right with the meths...Kas is the Master with Methanol Setups, and then there is Ob Moodley who is the Master with Tuning M3's! Mods have been done to the motor as well. the Conversion took some time, but it was worth it.

Our customers also like pump fuel, but those are the customers that run the high 12's with software, dekat and filter!!!...Then there is Mahen that wants to have the Quickest Aspirated E46 M3, so he has done the conversion and now has the QUICKEST ASPIRATED M3!

The conversion is there for everyone to do, so if you or anyone else wants to do it, go and do it! Oh i forgot, you dont know how to strip or Assemble a M3 Motor on your own, well i can help you if you like or maybe you should go and do a Motor Mechanic Course first, you will then understand how a Motor works and then you can Tune it:thumbsup:
If you are going to get the AF right, it works best btw 4.5-6.5% for meths:thumb:

12.3 @ 184kmh is the best for the first time out with Meth, we will better it soon

CHIP LOGIC-We SET the Pace...We do Not Fllow it!

 

[Sherwin@xcede]

Wow, the sarcasm is flowing well. Well done. Thanks for the info. But no, I'm not going to do any research or call anyone thanks. We only interested in running street legal cars, but its good to hear what can be done with methanol. George & Smooth, please chill out & don't overreact with the next response. Take a deep breath, I was just asking a question. I'm .sure a lot of people would want to know.

 

[STREETRACER]

Jeese guys how old are we? This type of threads are suppose to be educational for the amature enthusiast! I'm so tired of these cat and dog games between suppose to be reputable tuners , which by the way both proved them selves with their quality work! My personal opinion is both xcede and chiplogic has a reason to brag about their achievements! But the tuning world is one big cake and there are enough pieces for every one! Cant we rather compliment each other true from the heart! I've seen serious achievements from xcede and I have first hand experience of how good chiplogic is! Its preference of choice and I also believe in sticking to one tuner and build a relationship with that company! Reason is I will not do all my trade secrets on a guys car if he plays me of between other tuners! So let's live in peace and get S.A on the map! You know what also bugs me, if a docter discovers something he shares it world wide, but if a tuner discovers something he will keep it to him self! 5 years back in 4AF a 14s car was crazy wild now its an average time for a daily driver! If we all just share the whole sport would advance to a different level! But that will never happen! I hope I can get some tuners mad when my book comes out! My two cents but if this carries on I'm leaving the forum!

 

[George Smooth]

You know what also bugs me, if a docter discovers something he shares it world wide, but if a tuner discovers something he will keep it to him self! 5 years back in 4AF a 14s car was crazy wild now its an average time for a daily driver! If we all just share the whole sport would advance to a different level! But that will never happen! I hope I can get some tuners mad when my book comes out! My two cents but if this carries on I'm leaving the forum!

The secret was shared which was no big secret, the car ran on methanol.
No one is going to go post what size injectors where used as the result was to show case the companies tuning capability. If another tuner asks for details that are too specific no one is obliged to share them. A google search will yield a thousand results on how to tune a NA car on methanol and what the average gains are for specific AF's.

 

[STREETRACER]

George i was saying in general! didnt aim on the Meth! and the injector size comes with trail and errors and I never said give away a recipe! there is a differance! for example Water meth on diesels is a secret the jet sizes, mixtures and volumes is the recipe which no one will give away coz that is where the artist part of the job comes in!

 

[SDP]

BTW Raymond Pillay ran 12.2 @ Killarmey in December E30 M3

 

[George Smooth]

BTW Raymond Pillay ran 12.2 @ Killarmey in December E30 M3

His still the 6A king. :clap:

 

[Loco]

...and they're going methanol too.

 

[George Smooth]

...and they're going methanol too.

Will be a awesome site to see. That car hops of the line too.

 

[PRAVEEN M]

...and they're going methanol too.

Is it possible for you to give us the list of the top 10, 6a cars in the country.

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BTW Raymond Pillay ran 12.2 @ Killarmey in December E30 M3

His still the 6A king. :clap:

Is the 12.2 an official time.Has it been recognised by MSA.

 

[mahinder-suresh]

I think i now understand this Meth thing. I also now realise i put the wrong Meth in my tank:slap:

 

[Smooth-ZN]

...and they're going methanol too.

His car will be a monster!

 

[George Smooth]

...and they're going methanol too.

Is it possible for you to give us the list of the top 10, 6a cars in the country.

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BTW Raymond Pillay ran 12.2 @ Killarmey in December E30 M3

His still the 6A king. :clap:

Is the 12.2 an official time.Has it been recognised by MSA.

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I am not sure if MSA keeps a list as well. The one we work on is Locos official list which has specific rules of events having to be MSA and a back up run has to be made within 1%. Didn't see results of the Killarney day but for him to be on the list I am sure all is cool.
I specifically work on the no back up rule and recognize Joels 12.6 run as well as Cleos 12.66 with a E36 but that's just me.
The list is as follows at the moment:
TOP TEN 6-CYLINDERS NORMALLY ASPIRATED
1. Raymond Pillay BMW E30 M3 12.29 Killarney 2010
2. Cleo Moodley BMW E46 M3 12.33 Matuba 2011
3. Rafik Ramzam Ford Escort 12.48 Matuba 2009
4. Gavin Wilkins Ford Capri 12.50 Killarney 1992
5. Amith Singh Ford Escort 12.53 Matuba 2010
6. Sue Hurdayal Beach Buggy 12.63 Margate 2010
7. Yathin Ramdhial BMW E46 M3 12.82 Matuba 2009
8. Sameer Dawood BMW E46 M3 12.89 Matuba
9. Joel Silva BMW E46 M3 CSL 12.90 East London 2010
10. Ashfaaq Bux BMW Z3-M 12.94 Matuba 2009

 

[Mahen]

...and they're going methanol too.

Is it possible for you to give us the list of the top 10, 6a cars in the country.

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BTW Raymond Pillay ran 12.2 @ Killarmey in December E30 M3

His still the 6A king. :clap:

Is the 12.2 an official time.Has it been recognised by MSA.

What about the E36 doing the 12.8 n the E46 ran a 12.7 before so that lists is all screwed. We were in the 12s long time from 2008 in dbn drags

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I am not sure if MSA keeps a list as well. The one we work on is Locos official list which has specific rules of events having to be MSA and a back up run has to be made within 1%. Didn't see results of the Killarney day but for him to be on the list I am sure all is cool.
I specifically work on the no back up rule and recognize Joels 12.6 run as well as Cleos 12.66 with a E36 but that's just me.
The list is as follows at the moment:
TOP TEN 6-CYLINDERS NORMALLY ASPIRATED
1. Raymond Pillay BMW E30 M3 12.29 Killarney 2010
2. Cleo Moodley BMW E46 M3 12.33 Matuba 2011
3. Rafik Ramzam Ford Escort 12.48 Matuba 2009
4. Gavin Wilkins Ford Capri 12.50 Killarney 1992
5. Amith Singh Ford Escort 12.53 Matuba 2010
6. Sue Hurdayal Beach Buggy 12.63 Margate 2010
7. Yathin Ramdhial BMW E46 M3 12.82 Matuba 2009
8. Sameer Dawood BMW E46 M3 12.89 Matuba
9. Joel Silva BMW E46 M3 CSL 12.90 East London 2010
10. Ashfaaq Bux BMW Z3-M 12.94 Matuba 2009

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[Smooth-ZN]

...and they're going methanol too.

Is it possible for you to give us the list of the top 10, 6a cars in the country.

---

BTW Raymond Pillay ran 12.2 @ Killarmey in December E30 M3

His still the 6A king. :clap:

Is the 12.2 an official time.Has it been recognised by MSA.

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I am not sure if MSA keeps a list as well. The one we work on is Locos official list which has specific rules of events having to be MSA and a back up run has to be made within 1%. Didn't see results of the Killarney day but for him to be on the list I am sure all is cool.
I specifically work on the no back up rule and recognize Joels 12.6 run as well as Cleos 12.66 with a E36 but that's just me.
The list is as follows at the moment:
TOP TEN 6-CYLINDERS NORMALLY ASPIRATED
1. Raymond Pillay BMW E30 M3 12.29 Killarney 2010
2. Cleo Moodley BMW E46 M3 12.33 Matuba 2011
3. Rafik Ramzam Ford Escort 12.48 Matuba 2009
4. Gavin Wilkins Ford Capri 12.50 Killarney 1992
5. Amith Singh Ford Escort 12.53 Matuba 2010
6. Sue Hurdayal Beach Buggy 12.63 Margate 2010
7. Yathin Ramdhial BMW E46 M3 12.82 Matuba 2009
8. Sameer Dawood BMW E46 M3 12.89 Matuba
9. Joel Silva BMW E46 M3 CSL 12.90 East London 2010
10. Ashfaaq Bux BMW Z3-M 12.94 Matuba 2009

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...and they're going methanol too.

Is it possible for you to give us the list of the top 10, 6a cars in the country.

---

BTW Raymond Pillay ran 12.2 @ Killarmey in December E30 M3

His still the 6A king. :clap:

Is the 12.2 an official time.Has it been recognised by MSA.

---

I am not sure if MSA keeps a list as well. The one we work on is Locos official list which has specific rules of events having to be MSA and a back up run has to be made within 1%. Didn't see results of the Killarney day but for him to be on the list I am sure all is cool.
I specifically work on the no back up rule and recognize Joels 12.6 run as well as Cleos 12.66 with a E36 but that's just me.
The list is as follows at the moment:
TOP TEN 6-CYLINDERS NORMALLY ASPIRATED
1. Raymond Pillay BMW E30 M3 12.29 Killarney 2010
2. Cleo Moodley BMW E46 M3 12.33 Matuba 2011
3. Rafik Ramzam Ford Escort 12.48 Matuba 2009
4. Gavin Wilkins Ford Capri 12.50 Killarney 1992
5. Amith Singh Ford Escort 12.53 Matuba 2010
6. Sue Hurdayal Beach Buggy 12.63 Margate 2010
7. Yathin Ramdhial BMW E46 M3 12.82 Matuba 2009
8. Sameer Dawood BMW E46 M3 12.89 Matuba
9. Joel Silva BMW E46 M3 CSL 12.90 East London 2010
10. Ashfaaq Bux BMW Z3-M 12.94 Matuba 2009

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George, I Beg To Differ!!! The Results for the Drags in Killarney on the 27th show that Raymond Pillay did a 12.482 and Joel Silva did a 12.691,
is there Proof of their Claimed times?

http://www.wpmc.co.za/_downloads/2010/st...10_car.pdf

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There is the link with the Results!!!

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...and they're going methanol too.

Is it possible for you to give us the list of the top 10, 6a cars in the country.

---

BTW Raymond Pillay ran 12.2 @ Killarmey in December E30 M3

His still the 6A king. :clap:

Is the 12.2 an official time.Has it been recognised by MSA.

---

I am not sure if MSA keeps a list as well. The one we work on is Locos official list which has specific rules of events having to be MSA and a back up run has to be made within 1%. Didn't see results of the Killarney day but for him to be on the list I am sure all is cool.
I specifically work on the no back up rule and recognize Joels 12.6 run as well as Cleos 12.66 with a E36 but that's just me.
The list is as follows at the moment:
TOP TEN 6-CYLINDERS NORMALLY ASPIRATED
1. Raymond Pillay BMW E30 M3 12.29 Killarney 2010
2. Cleo Moodley BMW E46 M3 12.33 Matuba 2011
3. Rafik Ramzam Ford Escort 12.48 Matuba 2009
4. Gavin Wilkins Ford Capri 12.50 Killarney 1992
5. Amith Singh Ford Escort 12.53 Matuba 2010
6. Sue Hurdayal Beach Buggy 12.63 Margate 2010
7. Yathin Ramdhial BMW E46 M3 12.82 Matuba 2009
8. Sameer Dawood BMW E46 M3 12.89 Matuba
9. Joel Silva BMW E46 M3 CSL 12.90 East London 2010
10. Ashfaaq Bux BMW Z3-M 12.94 Matuba 2009

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...and they're going methanol too.

Is it possible for you to give us the list of the top 10, 6a cars in the country.

---

BTW Raymond Pillay ran 12.2 @ Killarmey in December E30 M3

His still the 6A king. :clap:

Is the 12.2 an official time.Has it been recognised by MSA.

---

I am not sure if MSA keeps a list as well. The one we work on is Locos official list which has specific rules of events having to be MSA and a back up run has to be made within 1%. Didn't see results of the Killarney day but for him to be on the list I am sure all is cool.
I specifically work on the no back up rule and recognize Joels 12.6 run as well as Cleos 12.66 with a E36 but that's just me.
The list is as follows at the moment:
TOP TEN 6-CYLINDERS NORMALLY ASPIRATED
1. Raymond Pillay BMW E30 M3 12.29 Killarney 2010
2. Cleo Moodley BMW E46 M3 12.33 Matuba 2011
3. Rafik Ramzam Ford Escort 12.48 Matuba 2009
4. Gavin Wilkins Ford Capri 12.50 Killarney 1992
5. Amith Singh Ford Escort 12.53 Matuba 2010
6. Sue Hurdayal Beach Buggy 12.63 Margate 2010
7. Yathin Ramdhial BMW E46 M3 12.82 Matuba 2009
8. Sameer Dawood BMW E46 M3 12.89 Matuba
9. Joel Silva BMW E46 M3 CSL 12.90 East London 2010
10. Ashfaaq Bux BMW Z3-M 12.94 Matuba 2009

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George, I Beg To Differ!!! The Results for the Drags in Killarney on the 27th show that Raymond Pillay did a 12.482 and Joel Silva did a 12.691,
is there Proof of their Claimed times?

http://www.wpmc.co.za/_downloads/2010/st...10_car.pdf

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There is the link with the Results!!!

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The WORD is that Raymond did a 12.29 and Joel did a 12.60...Where are the Results for these Claimed Times Boet????????????????????????
Result and backed up times PLEASE!!!

Another thing is my Record in 2006 is 12.65 with an E46!

Check the Link that i Posted................

http://www.wpmc.co.za/_downloads/2010/st...10_car.pdf

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if that link doesnt work, try this one:

http://www.wpmc.co.za/_downloads/2010/streetracing_results_27-12-2010_car.pdf

 

[Mahen]

Hi people. I just had a look at those Results on that link. The results show that Raymond Pillay did a 12.482 and Joel Silva did a 12.691.
Where do i find those times that people are talking about? (of Raymond Pillay doing 12.29 and Joel's CSL doing 12.60)
If there claimed times cant be prooven and backed up as well, then 12.3 is the Quickest!:thumbsup:

 

[FTW]

Hi people. I just had a look at those Results on that link. The results show that Raymond Pillay did a 12.482 and Joel Silva did a 12.691.
Where do i find those times that people are talking about? (of Raymond Pillay doing 12.29 and Joel's CSL doing 12.60)
If there claimed times cant be prooven and backed up as well, then 12.3 is the Quickest!:thumbsup:

Hey Mahen...ekse, these are lucky packet times ekse...Where the ous start dreaming up times like this from. Do they just get up after a dream and post times? Why must you and Cleo go and turn out a stonking 12.3 on the 400m in 6A when we can just dream up times and post them on the site as well lol.

Cleo did not set lucky packet times...he backed it up immediately with a 12.4. People are posting times here that have not been backed up.

MSA list for 6A specifically needs to be re conciled as it is most definitely screwed up.

In 6A we need to see:
1. Cleo at the top of the list with Mahen's E46 M3 with a time of 12.36 as it is currently the fastest in the land in 6A.
2. We need to see Mahen's E36 M3 in the top 10 as well with his backed up time of 12.84. Its shocking that this car is not even on the list as it is definitely the fastest E36 M3 in the country currently. Way back in 2006, the car ran a 12.9 and it doesnt showat all.
3. Even Cleo did a 12.8 way back with his 4dr E36. Not time given

We need MSA to sit down and look at all the facts and consolidate this 6A list. Why is this not happening?

We need to get this list right now as we cannot have this problem soon when we start breaking all the records in 8A this year as well. (inevitable).

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Wow, the sarcasm is flowing well. Well done. Thanks for the info. But no, I'm not going to do any research or call anyone thanks. We only interested in running street legal cars, but its good to hear what can be done with methanol. George & Smooth, please chill out & don't overreact with the next response. Take a deep breath, I was just asking a question. I'm .sure a lot of people would want to know.

Hey bra, watkind again. Howsit there. eish these ous giving it to you on this forum. Ekse Cleo, give the oua break. He has bigger problems right now.

But seriously ekse, the ous are right, stop asking and start doing. Do you know that if 6A list was correct, loco's car will probably not even be on the top 10. And remember I am saying "probably" as i dont know if he backed up his 12.691 at Killarney. If he did, then he will be on the list. If not then his 12.9 would probably just about keep him in 10th place or just knock him off. If you dont know what I am talking about, check my reply on this thread to Mahen about times not given (all backed up).

So problems ekse and even more to come in 8A. We gona hit you with a 6A in your 8A and I am not talking about Bingo...lol.

Lukker ekse. you must enjoy your weekend!

 

[Wild BMW]

Eish, one two hectic speeches here