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This weekend was the first time I sat and drove a tuned diesel....I'm quite in love with the engine and exhaust tone. ....and now....and after hearing yours, I'm starting to view tuned diesels in a different light. Keep it up bud...
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RAArmstrong
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Car has yet to be dynod after SW IIRC
OppositeLockMT
Active member
Whoever disliked your video is clearly jealous :fencelook:
osiris
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God every time I say something on this forum everyone jumps on it as If I have said something evil. calm your selves and maybe learn from other peoples mistakes.
Here are the facts:
A: BMW designed the perfect exhaust system for your car that works, makes the car last long, I know this because when I tried to make my exhaust sound stock again, no exhaust fitment place could get it right. So BMW 1 other exhaust fitment centres 0....BMW creates beautiful cars with beautiful designs with outstanding technology and you think some exhaust fitment center has more knowledge than the scientists and engineers who work for BMW? Do you think that because an exhaust sounds better or makes you gain a few KW that its better? Please think again. BMW make formula 1 cars and the best super bike on the road today, I think they know what they are doing.
B: When you put software and do exhaust mods its because you mainly want the car to go faster, the sound it produces makes you want to drive faster to hear the tone and to get the addictive feeling of torque thus the life of your turbo...engine..tires etc go to shit! 20k km in the grand scheme of things is Nothing in terms of the life of a bmw, a stock standard bmw that has been looked after will do half a million km and carry on ticking no problems. My volvo I am currently driving has done 260 000km with the stock exhaust, stock cats, stock turbo, none of these things have ever been replaced and the car still drives extreamly well....My 330d was driving just fine, I modded the ******* **** out of it, software, downpipes, decats, removal of back boxes, and many other mods here and there and the car lasted a few thousand km and then **** up in a huge way! turbos exploded, gearbox exploded, injectors I hear have now been replaced and yet another turbo and engine has had to be taken apart. NONE of that would have happened if the car was left as stock and that's a fact! so please don't try and preach that modding a car is healthier because most modded cars half there life spans or even less.
I do not come on here to tell you advice because I am arrogant or think that I know it all, I come on here and type a long email like that out because I have had personal experience of this crap, I have spent bucket loads of cash fixing the fuck ups afterwards. Its not because of software alone its because of a whole fuck ton of things together that cause cars to go boom! When my turbo exploded, my car got towed to BMW for a diagnostics, they blamed the exhaust, I then took it too my mechanic who checked it out and also suspected the exhaust but said it could be anything who knows he would have to send it off for proper assessment. He then removed the ****** turbo and sent it off to Turbo SA or what ever the effing place was called, I will try find the receipt for a full proper diagnoses to find out what exactly caused my turbo to literally explode, they then asked me what mods I had done to the car and I told them and they then told me that it sounds to them like I had too little back pressure and that mixed with my driving and other mods caused the turbo to get extremely hot to often and the turbine blades to expand and touch the sides and cause a catastrophic disaster. Fact: something that would never have happened had I left the car stock! (How do I know this you ask, well when the car was stock, the turbo was silent, it wasn't even audible! car drove smoothly, smoked very little in comparison to after my mods, but then I did all my mods and my turbo suddenly sounded like a ******* F16 fighter jet, started making massive dumping sounds which I thought was all good and healthy, Boy was I wrong!).
You guys seem to think I come on here and suck **** out of my thumb, what the hell lol, I have experienced this crap first hand, and paid the price, I never said oi your going to **** your car up, I merely gave a word of caution to just listen if the sound of your turbo starts to change as mine did after all my exhaust mods!
Yes I did drive my car hard every now and then, who the hell buys a fast car and mods it and then drives it like a bloody granny? That would be like buying an R1 and never riding it fast? its a stupid mentality.
If a guy comes on to a thread I have made after I have done a mod and has had personal experience with something going wrong I would personally thank him and listen to what he says or at least take his advice. Its frikken unbelievable that when someone tries to give advice that they get bashed for it.
These forums are made for sharing of knowledge, showing off cars and mods and most importantly for learning something. I sure as hell have. I thought I was smart doing all these mods on my 330d and I was warned that it will lead to the destruction of my gearbox, I was arrogant and said my gearbox is strong! and in the end I was the doos sitting in South Coast with a very fucking expensive problem and no way to get home because my tow truck driver wanted to charge me over 12k, BMW wanted 85k to fix my car and gizmo was in joburg! Luckily Andy helped me out to get to jhb and in the end his car got fucked up and my car got fucked up some more and it was just a shit experience in the end for everyone involved! So why bash me when all I am doing is giving some good advice that could save you allot of money if something were to start going pear shaped?
By the way this is not to say that I wouldn't mod my next car I buy again because rest assure I would! I would do software etc but because of my stupid mistakes I have now learned a few things and will next time listen to what others have to say and do a hell of allot more research so as to not make the same dumb mistakes again that I am still paying for today!
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Here are the facts:
A: BMW designed the perfect exhaust system for your car that works, makes the car last long, I know this because when I tried to make my exhaust sound stock again, no exhaust fitment place could get it right. So BMW 1 other exhaust fitment centres 0....BMW creates beautiful cars with beautiful designs with outstanding technology and you think some exhaust fitment center has more knowledge than the scientists and engineers who work for BMW? Do you think that because an exhaust sounds better or makes you gain a few KW that its better? Please think again. BMW make formula 1 cars and the best super bike on the road today, I think they know what they are doing.
B: When you put software and do exhaust mods its because you mainly want the car to go faster, the sound it produces makes you want to drive faster to hear the tone and to get the addictive feeling of torque thus the life of your turbo...engine..tires etc go to shit! 20k km in the grand scheme of things is Nothing in terms of the life of a bmw, a stock standard bmw that has been looked after will do half a million km and carry on ticking no problems. My volvo I am currently driving has done 260 000km with the stock exhaust, stock cats, stock turbo, none of these things have ever been replaced and the car still drives extreamly well....My 330d was driving just fine, I modded the ******* **** out of it, software, downpipes, decats, removal of back boxes, and many other mods here and there and the car lasted a few thousand km and then **** up in a huge way! turbos exploded, gearbox exploded, injectors I hear have now been replaced and yet another turbo and engine has had to be taken apart. NONE of that would have happened if the car was left as stock and that's a fact! so please don't try and preach that modding a car is healthier because most modded cars half there life spans or even less.
I do not come on here to tell you advice because I am arrogant or think that I know it all, I come on here and type a long email like that out because I have had personal experience of this crap, I have spent bucket loads of cash fixing the fuck ups afterwards. Its not because of software alone its because of a whole fuck ton of things together that cause cars to go boom! When my turbo exploded, my car got towed to BMW for a diagnostics, they blamed the exhaust, I then took it too my mechanic who checked it out and also suspected the exhaust but said it could be anything who knows he would have to send it off for proper assessment. He then removed the ****** turbo and sent it off to Turbo SA or what ever the effing place was called, I will try find the receipt for a full proper diagnoses to find out what exactly caused my turbo to literally explode, they then asked me what mods I had done to the car and I told them and they then told me that it sounds to them like I had too little back pressure and that mixed with my driving and other mods caused the turbo to get extremely hot to often and the turbine blades to expand and touch the sides and cause a catastrophic disaster. Fact: something that would never have happened had I left the car stock! (How do I know this you ask, well when the car was stock, the turbo was silent, it wasn't even audible! car drove smoothly, smoked very little in comparison to after my mods, but then I did all my mods and my turbo suddenly sounded like a ******* F16 fighter jet, started making massive dumping sounds which I thought was all good and healthy, Boy was I wrong!).
You guys seem to think I come on here and suck **** out of my thumb, what the hell lol, I have experienced this crap first hand, and paid the price, I never said oi your going to **** your car up, I merely gave a word of caution to just listen if the sound of your turbo starts to change as mine did after all my exhaust mods!
Yes I did drive my car hard every now and then, who the hell buys a fast car and mods it and then drives it like a bloody granny? That would be like buying an R1 and never riding it fast? its a stupid mentality.
If a guy comes on to a thread I have made after I have done a mod and has had personal experience with something going wrong I would personally thank him and listen to what he says or at least take his advice. Its frikken unbelievable that when someone tries to give advice that they get bashed for it.
These forums are made for sharing of knowledge, showing off cars and mods and most importantly for learning something. I sure as hell have. I thought I was smart doing all these mods on my 330d and I was warned that it will lead to the destruction of my gearbox, I was arrogant and said my gearbox is strong! and in the end I was the doos sitting in South Coast with a very fucking expensive problem and no way to get home because my tow truck driver wanted to charge me over 12k, BMW wanted 85k to fix my car and gizmo was in joburg! Luckily Andy helped me out to get to jhb and in the end his car got fucked up and my car got fucked up some more and it was just a shit experience in the end for everyone involved! So why bash me when all I am doing is giving some good advice that could save you allot of money if something were to start going pear shaped?
By the way this is not to say that I wouldn't mod my next car I buy again because rest assure I would! I would do software etc but because of my stupid mistakes I have now learned a few things and will next time listen to what others have to say and do a hell of allot more research so as to not make the same dumb mistakes again that I am still paying for today!
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ChefDJ
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anton-sa said:
Running MASPerformance.
Haven't done another dyno.
OppositeLockMT said:
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osiris said:
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Firstly. I did not mod the shit out of it. It has a remap (not aggressive) and it has a downpipe.
Secondly. You have no idea what type of person I am. I don't race my car. I don't partake in any TLGP. As a young lad I never wanted the GTI's and Ferrari's. I wanted a 7. And I'll get one, one day. That should say a lot about my driving style.
Thirdly. I didn't bash you.
Fourthly. Thanks for the concern.
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Any modifications to a car, if done right, can still keep the car reliable.
My Honda vtec was bought by me with 86,000km on the clock, I changed everything but kept it normal aspirated, pistons, valve springs, cams, intake polished and ported, stroked, full 63mm exhaust, suspension, gearbox...
I did track days at Zwartkops and kyalami, I did 1/4 miles at Tarlton, and 1/2 mile, 1km and 1.3km sprints at odi, and still used it as a daily to work and back, and to go on holiday.
The car had 256,000km on the clock when I sold it, and all that gave me problems was the computer box.
the car is still running, but in kzn, some woman owns it now, still same engine.
My point is when done properly, even a modified car can deliver great reliability.
my current 325i received Schnitzer software when I bought it in 2007, with 38,000km on it. Since then in 2010 I did a full 57mm twin Freeflow, total decat, promotec software update to override the error codes and tune it, and intake, and I'm on 132,000km now, and I've only replaced my idle control valve, and my radiator and a radiator hose...all non related to the mods done.
Yes, bmw does great work, but why then when they build race cars do they tune them?? Why then does a company like Schnitzer exists??
anyway not fighting, merely voicing my opinion as well.
PS: there are some tuned diesels on this forum that's been doing great, with the cars still being a daily drive and still being reliable.
My Honda vtec was bought by me with 86,000km on the clock, I changed everything but kept it normal aspirated, pistons, valve springs, cams, intake polished and ported, stroked, full 63mm exhaust, suspension, gearbox...
I did track days at Zwartkops and kyalami, I did 1/4 miles at Tarlton, and 1/2 mile, 1km and 1.3km sprints at odi, and still used it as a daily to work and back, and to go on holiday.
The car had 256,000km on the clock when I sold it, and all that gave me problems was the computer box.
the car is still running, but in kzn, some woman owns it now, still same engine.
My point is when done properly, even a modified car can deliver great reliability.
my current 325i received Schnitzer software when I bought it in 2007, with 38,000km on it. Since then in 2010 I did a full 57mm twin Freeflow, total decat, promotec software update to override the error codes and tune it, and intake, and I'm on 132,000km now, and I've only replaced my idle control valve, and my radiator and a radiator hose...all non related to the mods done.
Yes, bmw does great work, but why then when they build race cars do they tune them?? Why then does a company like Schnitzer exists??
anyway not fighting, merely voicing my opinion as well.
PS: there are some tuned diesels on this forum that's been doing great, with the cars still being a daily drive and still being reliable.
DieselFan
Honorary ///Member
No one is bashing you. Your theory is just wrong. And no bmw has not created the perfect performance exhaust. They have created the perfect exhaust for their market and their requirements. Majority of bmws market does not want a loud diesel nor do they want a diesel which smokes. And on top of that they have emissions regulations to abide by.osiris said:
There is no such thing as too little back pressure even in a NA situation it is a common myth. In a NA setup you do however need velocity. A turbo car is completely different as there is no scavenging effect.
A downpipe and freeflow exhaust does not make a turbo run hotter. It will run cooler. An overly aggressive map which has the common rail pressure running on its limits in turn making the turbo boost extremely high effects the life of the car and makes the turbo run hotter.
And it sounds to me like you drove your car extremely hard after you modified it. Did you allow all the fluids to get to their maximum operating temperature? Did you allow for a slow drive for the last 5 mins of your journey to cool down your system?
And hearing your turbo alot more after you had a downpipe and freeflow put on is a given it is not why your car stuffed out.
And yes a forum is where we can share our experiences and people can in turn reply. If they couldn't forums would be filled with a hell of a lot of misinformation and unfortunately there is still some out there. And this is why we are replying to you.
Your problem was an overly aggressive map. Not an exhaust... this isn't even debatable. The gearbox was a given with or without tuning the car. It probably just came about quicker with the software.
osiris
///Member
Ok this is getting boring now. I realize that most people on this forum have a problem with me, every time I say something most of you bash me down and try your best to prove me wrong or try make me look like an idiot and that's fine its a forum and its full of know it all's. Everyone on the internet is a genius and knows everything about everything.
I came here to tell you of my experience when I did practically the same mods, take it or leave it. nuff said.
Telling me I drove my car hard all the time when you don't know me is laughable too, telling me I didn't let my car warm up or idle for a couple mins before switching off is laughable as I used to baby my car. Yes my software map was probably too aggressive, that's not my doing as I never wrote the software that was put on my car. I went to many of these street races with the xcede guys.. why don't you ask them if I ever raced my car? not once and trust me they tried to set many races up for me to see how their software was performing on my car. All I ever did was watch and sometimes film and once I brought my bike and I raced that on the highway and that was all. oh and I went to a dyno day with them.
What you all seem to forget is that software if done properly is written for your car while taking readings from sensors in the car, exhaust gas temps, pressures, maf readings, decats, turbo readings etc. In SA most of the time a map is written or bought from over seas and just put on your car and you pay your money and your car performs and you think all is good in the hood(I am not saying that all software companies do this so don't get all sensitive now). What you forget is that a turbo boosts and needs to stop boosting at certain rpm's and under certain circumstances, if the back pressure is all gone and the map that you have loaded a year and a half ago isn't catering for it then your turbo is spooling for too long at a high RPM, Longer than it was designed to do!!! and thus it will pop eventually, The software is already making your turbo boost slightly longer to build more boost, so heat generation is already more.
The turbo is spooling up probably 3 times faster than it ever did before, so its time at maximum rpm is longer than it ever was not to mention that the software makes it boost harder so heat generation is much quicker, wear and tear is higher, inevitable destruction is just that...inevitable. Do you guys think you know more than one of the places that my turbo was sent off to get diagnosed, I think it was Turbo Direct which is the official distributor in SA for genuine Garrett turbochargers?
I don't care if your turbo explodes, I don't know you I will probably never meet you. I thought I was being a pretty decent guy by showing you my concern and telling you of my own situation with the exact same engine, turbo and gearbox.
Let me maybe tell you of my costs involved in this little exercise, perhaps you will better understand why I decided to tell you of my small situation.
When my turbo went the first time it cost me a tow which was over a grand, then it cost me another tow to get the car to BMW from my house as it broke at night which was over a grand, then to get it from bmw to my mech was another around R1200. then the couple hours of labor to get the turbo and inter-cooler, and boost pipes out was a few grand, I think it was like 4k, then the diagnostics from the turbo company I sent it to was over a grand that mixed with BMW's diagnostics which was like R1500. then getting the new turbo from a forum member for a couple of grand cant remember how much exactly, then fitment plus new inter-cooler which was on its own R4700 from BMW, new boost pipe as the turbine prop shot through the boost pipe was over a grand, think it was actually over 2 grand. so that in total was well over 20k. 3 days later the new turbo was a fuck up because of a factory defect on the turbo, apparently the turbine shaft wasn't balanced properly so it started touching the housing. I heard it and switched the car off and had to get it towed which this time was over 2 grand because I was far out. I had to then repeat the whole turbo replacement exercise. I then drove to Durban, put the car in cruise control 120kph and cruised the whole way there, second day I was there was on my way to the beach in traffic and as I pressed the accelerator the revs went up and the car stayed still. Had to pay for a tow to nearest BMW, over a grand. got quote from bmw to replace the gearbox as they don't repair them they just replace and fit and that was R85 000.00. Obviously that wasn't an option so I tried to get a tow back to JHB, quote for that was R12 000.00 that wasn't an option so Andy came to fetch me, which cost me a couple grand as I paid for his tank twice or three times if I remember correctly plus tolls for both our cars, I couldn't be more thankful as I would have had a serious problem if it wasn't for him. Gizmo then did a gearbox conversion which cost me a fuck ton of money, had to take a loan etc, his price was great but in the end all of this cost me over R65 000.00. Now the guy that bought the car from me has had shit luck with it too and has apparently spent over 50k on it, replacement of injectors another fucking turbo! redoing the engine etc. so that's over 100k spent on an old 330d, much more than what the car is actually worth.
what I am trying to say is that everyone has a big mouth till this shit happens to them, I did. We all think this will never happen to us but its happened to thousands of people, go read the international forums this is actually more common than what you guys seem to think.
@coisman, I understand that you have a modded car and that's fine. But your car is NA, Software on a NA car isn't as destructive as what it can be on a car with a turbo. Unless it was really written by a doos and its making your fuel mixture so lean that you end up burning holes through your pistons.
Yes I wrote another Essay just because you guys said I would, why would I let you down?
Your car might never give you shit and that's cool and I hope that is the case.
but why is it such a problem when someone says hey, I did this and that to my car and this was the outcome? I just don't get it. I thought this would be helpful info that people might appreciate?
I came here to tell you of my experience when I did practically the same mods, take it or leave it. nuff said.
Telling me I drove my car hard all the time when you don't know me is laughable too, telling me I didn't let my car warm up or idle for a couple mins before switching off is laughable as I used to baby my car. Yes my software map was probably too aggressive, that's not my doing as I never wrote the software that was put on my car. I went to many of these street races with the xcede guys.. why don't you ask them if I ever raced my car? not once and trust me they tried to set many races up for me to see how their software was performing on my car. All I ever did was watch and sometimes film and once I brought my bike and I raced that on the highway and that was all. oh and I went to a dyno day with them.
What you all seem to forget is that software if done properly is written for your car while taking readings from sensors in the car, exhaust gas temps, pressures, maf readings, decats, turbo readings etc. In SA most of the time a map is written or bought from over seas and just put on your car and you pay your money and your car performs and you think all is good in the hood(I am not saying that all software companies do this so don't get all sensitive now). What you forget is that a turbo boosts and needs to stop boosting at certain rpm's and under certain circumstances, if the back pressure is all gone and the map that you have loaded a year and a half ago isn't catering for it then your turbo is spooling for too long at a high RPM, Longer than it was designed to do!!! and thus it will pop eventually, The software is already making your turbo boost slightly longer to build more boost, so heat generation is already more.
The turbo is spooling up probably 3 times faster than it ever did before, so its time at maximum rpm is longer than it ever was not to mention that the software makes it boost harder so heat generation is much quicker, wear and tear is higher, inevitable destruction is just that...inevitable. Do you guys think you know more than one of the places that my turbo was sent off to get diagnosed, I think it was Turbo Direct which is the official distributor in SA for genuine Garrett turbochargers?
I don't care if your turbo explodes, I don't know you I will probably never meet you. I thought I was being a pretty decent guy by showing you my concern and telling you of my own situation with the exact same engine, turbo and gearbox.
Let me maybe tell you of my costs involved in this little exercise, perhaps you will better understand why I decided to tell you of my small situation.
When my turbo went the first time it cost me a tow which was over a grand, then it cost me another tow to get the car to BMW from my house as it broke at night which was over a grand, then to get it from bmw to my mech was another around R1200. then the couple hours of labor to get the turbo and inter-cooler, and boost pipes out was a few grand, I think it was like 4k, then the diagnostics from the turbo company I sent it to was over a grand that mixed with BMW's diagnostics which was like R1500. then getting the new turbo from a forum member for a couple of grand cant remember how much exactly, then fitment plus new inter-cooler which was on its own R4700 from BMW, new boost pipe as the turbine prop shot through the boost pipe was over a grand, think it was actually over 2 grand. so that in total was well over 20k. 3 days later the new turbo was a fuck up because of a factory defect on the turbo, apparently the turbine shaft wasn't balanced properly so it started touching the housing. I heard it and switched the car off and had to get it towed which this time was over 2 grand because I was far out. I had to then repeat the whole turbo replacement exercise. I then drove to Durban, put the car in cruise control 120kph and cruised the whole way there, second day I was there was on my way to the beach in traffic and as I pressed the accelerator the revs went up and the car stayed still. Had to pay for a tow to nearest BMW, over a grand. got quote from bmw to replace the gearbox as they don't repair them they just replace and fit and that was R85 000.00. Obviously that wasn't an option so I tried to get a tow back to JHB, quote for that was R12 000.00 that wasn't an option so Andy came to fetch me, which cost me a couple grand as I paid for his tank twice or three times if I remember correctly plus tolls for both our cars, I couldn't be more thankful as I would have had a serious problem if it wasn't for him. Gizmo then did a gearbox conversion which cost me a fuck ton of money, had to take a loan etc, his price was great but in the end all of this cost me over R65 000.00. Now the guy that bought the car from me has had shit luck with it too and has apparently spent over 50k on it, replacement of injectors another fucking turbo! redoing the engine etc. so that's over 100k spent on an old 330d, much more than what the car is actually worth.
what I am trying to say is that everyone has a big mouth till this shit happens to them, I did. We all think this will never happen to us but its happened to thousands of people, go read the international forums this is actually more common than what you guys seem to think.
@coisman, I understand that you have a modded car and that's fine. But your car is NA, Software on a NA car isn't as destructive as what it can be on a car with a turbo. Unless it was really written by a doos and its making your fuel mixture so lean that you end up burning holes through your pistons.
Yes I wrote another Essay just because you guys said I would, why would I let you down?
Your car might never give you shit and that's cool and I hope that is the case.
but why is it such a problem when someone says hey, I did this and that to my car and this was the outcome? I just don't get it. I thought this would be helpful info that people might appreciate?
DieselFan
Honorary ///Member
Dude calm down no one here is out to go you or has a problem with you. Your theory on the turbo over spooling was just wrong. Am I not at liberty to say so?
If you can't have a constructive debate then it's probably best you don't participate. I'm sure everyone who has commented here is well aware the cost you incurred.
I do not know you and I do not know how you drive. Did you happen to see the question marks at the end of each sentence. I was merely asking to get an idea of your driving style. Don't just jump to conclusions. As you also do not know me.
And again I'm not "bashing" you but these cars don't have electronically controlled turbos. As my understanding goes. The more fuel you provide the higher your turbo boosts. So I don't think what you have said about the turbo boosting is correct as it's not controlled directly by the map. All that will happen is your turbo will run cooler with the untweeked map and spool a little quicker. I think 2 to 3 times quicker is a bit optimistic. Also why I think that is wrong is because I've been running a DP and decat in the mid pipes on a stock car for a good while now. And it would be the same ideology as you applied to your untweeked map.
Again I am not bashing you. The forum is here for sharing and constructive debate.
Take it how you will but if it's the wrong way then rather don't comment.
If you can't have a constructive debate then it's probably best you don't participate. I'm sure everyone who has commented here is well aware the cost you incurred.
I do not know you and I do not know how you drive. Did you happen to see the question marks at the end of each sentence. I was merely asking to get an idea of your driving style. Don't just jump to conclusions. As you also do not know me.
And again I'm not "bashing" you but these cars don't have electronically controlled turbos. As my understanding goes. The more fuel you provide the higher your turbo boosts. So I don't think what you have said about the turbo boosting is correct as it's not controlled directly by the map. All that will happen is your turbo will run cooler with the untweeked map and spool a little quicker. I think 2 to 3 times quicker is a bit optimistic. Also why I think that is wrong is because I've been running a DP and decat in the mid pipes on a stock car for a good while now. And it would be the same ideology as you applied to your untweeked map.
Again I am not bashing you. The forum is here for sharing and constructive debate.
Take it how you will but if it's the wrong way then rather don't comment.
