Carbon tax

[Whacko]

I am of the opinion that the proposed carbon tax on new vehicles is illegal as well as would be any taxation connected to rising carbon dioxide. It cannot be proven that rising CO2 levels is the cause of global warming and I for myself don't believe it is. There is lots of evidence to the contrary.
Check this website for some real insight. If you agree to pay carbon dioxide tax, you agree to be robbed.
http://www.iceagenow.com/ocean_warming.htm

 

[netercol]

like all other outrageous and stupid laws and taxes implemented by those in power, its not exactly like we have a choice..

legislated out of our freedoms, given no choice by threat of lethal force.. and thus all we really are in this brave new world we have created for ourselfs are slaves..

 

[Skwinty]

No offense, but I think your opinions on global warming make your username quite appropriate.

 

[Whacko]

No offense, but I think your opinions on global warming make your username quite appropriate.

Not quite so bud, well documented and well researched and extensive lab work. This global warming cycle would have happened even if there was never any humans on this earth. How much personal research have you done on this matter?

 

[Gerhardm32]

Our government will find a way to prove this is not the reason, but it's the cars and they will stick to their story no matter what! Face it, they want more money for themselves so we have to pay anything they say.

 

[Philip Foglar]

But they need to pay for all those TV sets in the prisons... LOL

On a serious note though, I have said it before that this is simply another method to profit off of the consumer. New cars generally are cleaner burning than cars that were sold 10 - 20 years ago for one thing, and those much older and less well maintained bangers on the road are the real CO2 pollutants/hazards! And as it is, the consumers is now going to be paying Tax on an already Taxed product... :spit:

 

[Whacko]

The CO2 in our atmosphere is now at 390 ppm, that is then technically in trace ammounts. It cannot effect global warming at those levels, the real greenhouse gas is water in it's gas state, and it's presence in our atmosphere is huge. The global warming comes from within the earth. We have done lab work . Atmospheric air in a glass vacuum chamber, co2 dosing and some high tech sensors. Infrared light source and measure the wavelength of light filtered and absorbed, also measure time for absorption as well as retaining energy constant on a heat-exchange. At 390 ppm, lets say the effect accounts to zero for practical purposes. The earth has cycles, the global warming is coming from within the earth, insignificant from outside bar the normal solar radiation. Watch the geophysical activity currently stirring all over at the tectonic plate boundaries and you don't need to be a mad scientist to realize the weather change and global warming is due to geophysical activity. Changes in sea temperatures, specially in deep channels are upsetting the normal sea currents, thus influencing the weather. This global warming cycle would have happened even if there was never any humans on earth. It is inevitable.

 

[Skwinty]

No offense, but I think your opinions on global warming make your username quite appropriate.

Not quite so bud, well documented and well researched and extensive lab work. This global warming cycle would have happened even if there was never any humans on this earth. How much personal research have you done on this matter?

If you like, I can point you in the direction of studies and evidence from real scientists.
Not Youtube and media reports.

On second thoughts, just ignore me.:banghead:

 

[Whacko]

If one starts thinking on a broader level, it starts making sense. The world economy is in tatters and this Global warming thingy is just what the doctor ordered for an ailing world. I'm no conspiracy theorist and I don't believe in anything like that, but it is so evident, this could be the new "GOLD RUSH" with whole new ways to suck money from the poor working class. It's not on, I think I should sue:nono:

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No offense, but I think your opinions on global warming make your username quite appropriate.

Not quite so bud, well documented and well researched and extensive lab work. This global warming cycle would have happened even if there was never any humans on this earth. How much personal research have you done on this matter?

If you like, I can point you in the direction of studies and evidence from real scientists.
Not Youtube and media reports.

On second thoughts, just ignore me.:banghead:

Wanna come up to my lab and see what's on the slab?
LOL

 

[Sankekur]

The main problem is that there are just too many people on earth. Not that I believe or don't believe in global warming, as that seems to be what is is based on, but I will tend more towards that is a farse, as back in the 70's the same scientists that now claim that the effect of CO2 pollution etc will cause the earth's tempurature to rise, then claimed that CO2 pollution will cause another ice age around year 2000. This is where my start to doubt the actual science involved, and start leaning more in the direction of it being based on some sensationalist bs.
Something that most people that tell us that we should lower CO2 as it causes "global warming" would like to ignore is that water vapour (as whacko stated) and almost all other organic gasses cause almost the same so called global warming.
In the end this is all just a way of robbing people of their money, how will increasing the price of cars through tax make any change. Further this is just a way of guilt'ing ordinary motorists into thinking its somehow their fault for driving around in their evel planet killing cars as. They would also try to hide the fact from you that passenger motors only contribute around 2% of global CO2 emisions.
And I would just like to state this again there are too many people on earth and that is the problem. Get the number down to 1B or below, that should be the target

I for one would love to see your lab Whacko, just to bad you are in the cape

 

[Coisman]

imp:
I suggest less spicy foods...
Had some REALLY spicy foods yesterday,
and since then I've been pumping out those green house gasses :mmm:
Does that mean I have to start paying CO2 tax now???
imp:

 

[netercol]

i find it extremely funny that there is still people around that deny the influance of human beings on this planet

 

[Hellas]

I had a look at the R class Mercedes yesterday and if you buy a R545000 vehicle, you pay R7000 odd in CO tax. That not even a noticeable percentage on the value of the vehicle you are buying. Why bother? I know odds and ends make up a noticeable amount in the end, but you won't win with the Gavamint. Just pay it.

 

[Whacko]

Humans obviously have an effect on our planet, it is the magnitude of the effect that is at dispute.

 

[rick540]

@ Whacko

I agree with you bud, I've heard about quite a few scientific reports, and some new theories from some Australian scientist, that this global warming has happened before many times in the earths life and it's inevitable with or without human influence.

They have measured CO2 levels from ice drillings at the poles, it has several times been much higher than it is now. That is fact and not youtube

Q Skwinty Humankind is kind of arrogant that we think our effect on the planet is so awesome, all we are doing is speeding up a natural process by like 2% For every report you show me, I will show you a newer one that says otherwise, I'm not trying to be funny with you here I personally wish it was otherwise, it's actually rather scary.

The ice caps at the poles reflect a major amount of sun, seawater on the other hand absorbs solar radiation. The caps are melting, and the more thay melt, the more seawater there is to absorb heat, and the faster the process happens. Sadly we have passed the hysteresis point and we cannot stop it, but then again they have proved this has happened before, there have been times that the ice caps were savannha grassland as they have found the seeds and other evidence.

This melt was going to happen anyway, all we did was speed it up a little

 

[Hellas]

Good, then my house on the hill in Springbok will become seafront property...

 

[Skwinty]

I agree that global warming is a "hotly" contested scientific debate.

The Australian that argues against CO2 being the primary driver of global warming has been debunked.

This forum or any group of petrol heads is obviously biased in it's opinion. Why should we, as petrol or diesel heads be held responsible for global warming.

The burning of fossil fuels is a huge contributor to CO2 levels and it far outweighs natural contributions. Ever heard of the straw that broke the camels back.

If you are interested in learning more about the scientific facts, then have a look at the James Randi Educational Forum. This is a forum for skeptics. Search for topics regarding global warming and you will find hundreds of pages with links to scientific data from real scientists, not the lunatic fringe.

Here you will find real scientists in the relevant fields debating the issues at hand.

@Whacko, are you a scientist with the relevant PHD?

The controversy is significantly more pronounced in the popular media than in the scientific literature, where there is a strong consensus that global surface temperatures have increased in recent decades and that the trend is caused mainly by human-induced emissions of greenhouse gases. No scientific body of national or international standing disagrees with this view, though a few organisations hold non-committal positions.

 

[Coisman]

imp:
Skwinty, I blame all the other car brands!!!
BMW is the only way to get the CO2 emissions down
EVERONE should sell their car and buy a BMW... just to play it safe

 

[Skwinty]

imp:
Skwinty, I blame all the other car brands!!!
BMW is the only way to get the CO2 emissions down
EVERONE should sell their car and buy a BMW... just to play it safe

Yes Sir, then the first thing we petrol heads do is remove the cats...:mmm:

 

[Coisman]

imp:
Skwinty, I blame all the other car brands!!!
BMW is the only way to get the CO2 emissions down
EVERONE should sell their car and buy a BMW... just to play it safe

Yes Sir, then the first thing we petrol heads do is remove the cats...:mmm:

imp:
All true...
tell me, how do I adress this other problem :thinking:
While busy decatting my car, I came across another problem...
:dunno: what you call that!!

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