C250d and C220d vs 320d

[AshG108]

Hi gents,

I have the C250 CDi that was at the Raceday on saturday. So I see there a lot of speculations on this topic and after owning this car (W204 facelift), I have experienced the following:
(NB. My car has a proper power file since the last week only).

I have run the E90 320d, E90 320d worked, F30 320d pre & LCi shape.

The C250CDi is a heavier car and the gearbox is a lazier gearbox as well and it has decent power in stock form however the BMW always is an easier car to drive (driver's car), easier to launch (learn how to launch even), gets up quickly and goes quickly where it needs to.

All the above cars on my maintenance file I ran, I was ahead. One night, I raced at McDonalds in the Jhb North (you know where it is) and i bogged against a software+DP E90 and he chowed me and I learnt very briskly that the Merc takes a lot more out of you to know and learn how to drive it to put the power down.

I have come from a tuned E90 320d which I felt was nimble, easier to put the power down and it literally jumped in front of many cars on take-off...loved it to bits!

The Merc I chose due to it having that power on that minimal displacement compared to the other 3.0ds which are cloer or over that power on a 3.0 engine. Fuel consumption on the C250 CDi is tons better than on paper...1350km of a 58 litre tank is not bad at all...average 7.1-7.5l daily drive.

At Race day, it was a first time out with the car...first time with that file as well as that file was back on the car on thursday evening. i had a kak time with spinning of the line...I need to learn how to launch this car and cut back on all that spin, maybe semi-slicks would be great but so far, 14.5 seconds was the best time for the day out of 7 runs.

The 320d sits in between the C220 and C250 diesels however I feel the BMW will always put its nose first in a TLGP BUT an experienced driver in the merc can clear it it from the line.

But i stress again, the BMW is the easier one to learn and place the power down. The Merc is a fussy, heavy but the potential in that application is great!

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Thanks for the comments guys.

It seems that there is a case for BMW S.A. to consider the 325d, since it will fill that large chunk of middle ground between the 320d and 330d. Will be interesting to see if it is considered in the next 3 series...

The 25d already lives in the X5 and does a very good job.

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Thats true, that 25d application does very well...and i read somewhere that BMW will be bringing it into the X1, X3 and X2 as well

 

[Rory]

I wonder how the C250d compares against an E46 330d...

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[AshG108]

I wonder how the C250d compares against an E46 330d...

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That will be an interesting comparison, the W205 C250 CDi is lighter than the W204...would make for an interesting watch.

 

[Schalk94]

I wonder how the C250d compares against an E46 330d...

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I would be keen to see what the 150kw e46 330d does,but the 135kw one wouldn't make it against the c250.

 

[Cornel]

I wonder how the C250d compares against an E46 330d...

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I would be keen to see what the 150kw e46 330d does,but the 135kw one wouldn't make it against the c250.

I'll take the 150kw.
I'll even try the pre lci 330d with my 320d.

Ash we must race. You racing all these small guys. Come to Kuruman, run a proper 320d and then we talk about it over a Lion and some lamb ribs.

 

[Schalk94]

I wonder how the C250d compares against an E46 330d...

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I would be keen to see what the 150kw e46 330d does,but the 135kw one wouldn't make it against the c250.

I'll take the 150kw.
I'll even try the pre lci 330d with my 320d.

Ash we must race. You racing all these small guys. Come to Kuruman, run a proper 320d and then we talk about it over a Lion and some lamb ribs.

After all your mods you should do well against those cars,but I wonder how a stock c250cdi would....

 

[Cornel]

I wonder how the C250d compares against an E46 330d...

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I would be keen to see what the 150kw e46 330d does,but the 135kw one wouldn't make it against the c250.

I'll take the 150kw.
I'll even try the pre lci 330d with my 320d.

Ash we must race. You racing all these small guys. Come to Kuruman, run a proper 320d and then we talk about it over a Lion and some lamb ribs.

After all your mods you should do well against those cars,but I wonder how a stock c250cdi would....

Ag man don't spoil the fun. I don't get much races in Kuruman so want to see what I can line up. Ash has one extra turbo, big power file. I'll keep my meth off when we race so i think it should be fair

 

[yush1]

Guys, I had the 135kw E46 330d 5 speed manual. I did 15.0s QM at speed of 150kph and 195kph on the 1km. I did have SW.

 

[AshG108]

I wonder how the C250d compares against an E46 330d...

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I would be keen to see what the 150kw e46 330d does,but the 135kw one wouldn't make it against the c250.

I'll take the 150kw.
I'll even try the pre lci 330d with my 320d.

Ash we must race. You racing all these small guys. Come to Kuruman, run a proper 320d and then we talk about it over a Lion and some lamb ribs.

After all your mods you should do well against those cars,but I wonder how a stock c250cdi would....

a stock C250 CDi is not built for robot to robot races or standing starts to be honest, it gets going but only on top. I drove mine from Cape Town and It is lievely but really came into its element when it came highways speeds, overtaking etc was a breeze but the laziness of the 7 speed gearbox and the way the car is built and tuned when standard is for a very, relaxed and cruising style.

Thats why when I got it, i wanted to test it and see if we could transform the car into a beast with more power but also to see if we could get it to produce the power from a robot and more importantly, to try put that power down.

So i think a stock C250CDi (W204) would have a hard time...the stock W205 I am not sure about, i drove the W205 C200 and it puts the power down much better and feels lighter and easier than the W204 so not sure about that one.

 

[yush1]

Maybe gearbox SW will help. :fencelook:

 

[AshG108]

I wonder how the C250d compares against an E46 330d...

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I would be keen to see what the 150kw e46 330d does,but the 135kw one wouldn't make it against the c250.

I'll take the 150kw.
I'll even try the pre lci 330d with my 320d.

Ash we must race. You racing all these small guys. Come to Kuruman, run a proper 320d and then we talk about it over a Lion and some lamb ribs.

After all your mods you should do well against those cars,but I wonder how a stock c250cdi would....

Ag man don't spoil the fun. I don't get much races in Kuruman so want to see what I can line up. Ash has one extra turbo, big power file. I'll keep my meth off when we race so i think it should be fair

Keep your meth on, let's go full steam and see how both cars run...I want to try dyno mine next week and see how much I have gained, just hope the car behaves and does not misbehave like the last time we dynoed where it did not listen to Shane and kept upshifting.

 

[Cornel]

I wonder how the C250d compares against an E46 330d...

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I would be keen to see what the 150kw e46 330d does,but the 135kw one wouldn't make it against the c250.

I'll take the 150kw.
I'll even try the pre lci 330d with my 320d.

Ash we must race. You racing all these small guys. Come to Kuruman, run a proper 320d and then we talk about it over a Lion and some lamb ribs.

After all your mods you should do well against those cars,but I wonder how a stock c250cdi would....

Ag man don't spoil the fun. I don't get much races in Kuruman so want to see what I can line up. Ash has one extra turbo, big power file. I'll keep my meth off when we race so i think it should be fair

Keep your meth on, let's go full steam and see how both cars run...I want to try dyno mine next week and see how much I have gained, just hope the car behaves and does not misbehave like the last time we dynoed where it did not listen to Shane and kept upshifting.

Yeah going to be interesting to see how she’s doing on the dyno now. But for me, I won’t worry about dyno numbers any more. Mine won’t see a dyno again. Tune it for the street buddy! 3Aug @Tarlton?

 

[abd_baker]

Thanks for the comments guys.

It seems that there is a case for BMW S.A. to consider the 325d, since it will fill that large chunk of middle ground between the 320d and 330d. Will be interesting to see if it is considered in the next 3 series...

The 25d already lives in the X5 and does a very good job.

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I’m sure a large chunk of 320d buyers would opt for a 325d. 330d is about 100k more than 320d?

 

[MR_Y]

Reviving this old post...

Has anyone experienced the face-lifted c220d with the uprated motor?
I see MBSA has now dropped the c250d (150kw/500Nm) entirely after the c220d was upgraded (from 125kw/400Nm to 143kw/400Nm).

 

[KiLLRoYza]

Reviving this old post...

Has anyone experienced the face-lifted c220d with the uprated motor?
I see MBSA has now dropped the c250d (150kw/500Nm) entirely after the c220d was upgraded (from 125kw/400Nm to 143kw/400Nm).

One of my buddies fathers test drove one recently and said it's very strong, coming from a 320d. Raw straight line I imagine it will still be close. As said they're not tunes for robot to robot racing

 

[Rotinaj]

Reviving this old post...

Has anyone experienced the face-lifted c220d with the uprated motor?
I see MBSA has now dropped the c250d (150kw/500Nm) entirely after the c220d was upgraded (from 125kw/400Nm to 143kw/400Nm).

Same motor as the E220d. It's a peach of a engine and the 9G box also makes it lovely.