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If you read the comments on News24, you will notice a Mr.Imgard Krugmann comment that he was a witness to the accident and that the driver was speeding excessively.
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Whatever the case, its a sad situation that a life was lost. He didn't deserve to die. Just like the lady who was eaten by the lion, she didnt deserve to die. People sometimes do silly things. How many times have you done something stupid but managed to get away with it? For me, he must RIP and thoughts go out to his family. BMW's are like wild animals. They need to be respected and their limits should not be pushed by inexperienced drivers.
I can tell you this, I will definitely not buy my son a powerful BMW. Powerful RWD, immaturity and lack of driving experience do not gel.
I can tell you this, I will definitely not buy my son a powerful BMW. Powerful RWD, immaturity and lack of driving experience do not gel.
what grates me about comments like this, is the sheer righteousness of some people. Believe that you are judge and jury on what is right and wrong.
if the guy chose to drive HIS car fast, that is his right. he suffered the consequences, let him rest.
if others were harmed by his negligence or whatever caused the accident, then it's another discussion.
if the guy chose to drive HIS car fast, that is his right. he suffered the consequences, let him rest.
if others were harmed by his negligence or whatever caused the accident, then it's another discussion.
VictorMike
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1. It might sound judgmental, and self righteous, but lets call a spade a spade. If you exceed the posted speed limit and have an accident as a result, then you have no one to blame but yourself and do not deserve any sympathy.wolfman7 said:
2. Nowhere did anyone criticize the driver for driving fast, the criticism was about driving fast in a place not meant for driving fast. If this happened on a track, he might have survived.
3. There was a passenger, who is in hospital.
the comment you referred to on news24 of someone that witnessed the accident sounded like a retard. Even if you take what that person said as gospel, they did say the bumper touched the ground and then the car lost control and hit barrier. so there's is resonable doubt that there was mechanical fault.
the speed limit on the roads i travel on are 60 and 80, i drive whatever speed i think is appropriate. rules are for the ones that need it. when you stop at a red robot in a risky area, and there are no cars at all, do you follow the rules?
In my opinion, you are jumping to conclusions on far from resonable proof.
the speed limit on the roads i travel on are 60 and 80, i drive whatever speed i think is appropriate. rules are for the ones that need it. when you stop at a red robot in a risky area, and there are no cars at all, do you follow the rules?
In my opinion, you are jumping to conclusions on far from resonable proof.
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wolfman7 said:
No, the comment I refer to states that he witnessed the car travelling at excessive speeds just seconds before the accident occurred. A bumper touching the ground could also be due to an undulation on the road. So that makes 2 witnesses, stating the car was speeding. On a track, there is runoff and safety barriers to help lessen the consequences of an accident regardless if it was mechanical fault or not.
wolfman7 said:
wow.
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Yup.
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2 witnesses seems reasonable to me.
individj said:
1km/h? Don't be ridiculous! Even 0.1 km/h is too much! /sarcasm
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Magneto said:
Bud, I can honestly say I don't. It's nothing personal, I just don't feel sorry for anyone who is the cause of their own demise through recklessness / ignoring common sense. Would you feel sorry for a person who died because they drove while intoxicated? It is the same thing to me.
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VukMiler said:
Hey thats cool. You entitled to your opinion, but sometimes these things happen and perhaps you have to have been involved in a situation like this, directly or indirectly, to understand what some of us are saying. Although I haven't been involved, I can still sympathise.
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After reading all the comments...Please don't flame me, I'm not taking sides just giving my opinion on the topic....
I'm pretty sure if someone (regardless of their age etc) had to collide with you or someone that you love because of speed, you would not have any sympathy for them.
With that being said, as mentioned before, we don't know the reason for the speed, who knows, could have had an emergency etc but it is sad that someone had to lose their life in order for us to be reminded about the dangers of driving, i am a 24 year old and i say go to the track for track days to do all the racing you want, that's where you can show your driving skill and not how powerful your wallet is!
May he RIP though....
I'm pretty sure if someone (regardless of their age etc) had to collide with you or someone that you love because of speed, you would not have any sympathy for them.
With that being said, as mentioned before, we don't know the reason for the speed, who knows, could have had an emergency etc but it is sad that someone had to lose their life in order for us to be reminded about the dangers of driving, i am a 24 year old and i say go to the track for track days to do all the racing you want, that's where you can show your driving skill and not how powerful your wallet is!
May he RIP though....
1km/h? Don't be ridiculous! Even 0.1 km/h is too much! /sarcasm
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Dude have some respect. A life was lost. Not the time to be sarcastic. Speeding is dumb I agree, but sometimes we make stupid decisions. I have made bad decisions, but not every bad decision needs to end in death.
Condolences to the family and relatives
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Dude have some respect. A life was lost. Not the time to be sarcastic. Speeding is dumb I agree, but sometimes we make stupid decisions. I have made bad decisions, but not every bad decision needs to end in death.
Condolences to the family and relatives
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I think the saddest part of the story is there is a family mourning a loss and someone that is fighting for their life as a result of someone else's actions.
Yes, he was speeding, apparently way beyond his capability as a driver and suffered the worst possible fate for it.
Cars can be replaced, but lives and our bodies cannot.
All the more reason to drive within your ability and within the situation.
Speed is relative.
Yes, he was speeding, apparently way beyond his capability as a driver and suffered the worst possible fate for it.
Cars can be replaced, but lives and our bodies cannot.
All the more reason to drive within your ability and within the situation.
Speed is relative.
VictorMike
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Look, this conversation is getting bogged down in "what if"s.
Lets stick to facts.
The fact is the guy was young, in a powerful car and he was speeding. As a result of this, one life was given away (it was not "taken"). A second life hangs in the balance.
Those two lives would have been fine if the person driving the car had been acting responsibly.
I feel sorry for the passenger, and the respective families. BUT! until new information surfaces indicating that the driver had no choice (and I do mean NO other choice) but to drive excessively fast on a PUBLIC road, I will continue to feel indifferent about his passing.
I have not attacked, insulted or derided anyone including the driver. All I said was that I do not feel sympathy for him, and that fast driving should be done on a track. Some of you have taken offense to this, but that is on you. This is my opinion, and I do not apologise for it.
Lets stick to facts.
The fact is the guy was young, in a powerful car and he was speeding. As a result of this, one life was given away (it was not "taken"). A second life hangs in the balance.
Those two lives would have been fine if the person driving the car had been acting responsibly.
I feel sorry for the passenger, and the respective families. BUT! until new information surfaces indicating that the driver had no choice (and I do mean NO other choice) but to drive excessively fast on a PUBLIC road, I will continue to feel indifferent about his passing.
I have not attacked, insulted or derided anyone including the driver. All I said was that I do not feel sympathy for him, and that fast driving should be done on a track. Some of you have taken offense to this, but that is on you. This is my opinion, and I do not apologise for it.
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