BMW M4 Fatal Crash

[Bazza]

no sympathy for the dude who caused it, but its always the innocents who get taken out by some d**s in a fast car. pardon my french..

Not saying the driver was not at fault. He was.
Should not have been speeding.
What grates my balls is people that are very quick to pass judgement as if they so innocent.
You never sped in your life?
We all as you say dooses because none of us can say, yes we have never ever sped.
Rather take it as a lesson to not do the same as this guy before saying no sympathy, remember he didn't drive drunk or go out intentionally to kill people. It was a stupid accident that shouldn't of happened because in a moment of stupidity and immaturity he did wrong. That's it.
I see people do allot worse and walk among us.



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mate, i absolutely respect your opinion on this and i see where you are coming from. now i come from a place where i've seen too many young people kill themselves (and other people) with fast cars or bikes. i ride a suzuki tl1000r vtwin in my spare time.. so i'm very familiar with the world of being a chop and speeding.

the full news article that i read on this, said that the driver was 26. so my opinion (and where my earlier comment comes from) is this.. a 26 year old driving a friggin M4 really is an accident waiting to happen. the problem is that its always a stupid mistake at the wrong time that ends up like this. sure, everyone speeds and will do something stupid at some time or another...but the difference with most people of 'age' is that they know a place and time.

it really makes me angry when i see young people waste their lives from a moment of hot headedness. not only this, two innocent people just walking on the street were killed too. so now one mistake becomes a life long tragedy between all these families that are involved.

i really do think drinking and driving, is not any different from being stupid and driving. the consequences are the same

edit: i know you knew this driver, and i feel crap for you and the loss of all the people involved. i do apologise for my earlier comments. i cant judge him as a person, or of who/what he was..that only the family and friends will know. my comments were purely based on what has happened. im not "holier than thou".. but i know of 6 young people personally who have been lost in moments exactly like this..and its always the same cause.

UMMMM... Most F1 champs were under 26. So saying a 26 year driving a M4 is an accident waiting to happen just sounds like sour grapes to me. Age has jack to do with ability.

 

[WIDEOPN-X5]

Referring to the tables presented by DieselFan, the total cost of road accidents according to "gumment" was (listen properly {clearing throat}:roflol

SEVEN THOUSAND AND SEVEN HUNDRED AND FIFTY AND SEVEN MILLION RAND!!!

So that's almost R 8 BILLION (wif a BEE).....

I have never quite understood how these figures are calculated but let's assume for the argument that this is correct. So the fatalities on SA roads cost the economy almost R 8 billion in 2013...

But, there's no budget for patrol cars???? Patrol cars that would create visible policing and deal with moving violations that cause accidents that result in fatalities......

Seriously.:RedNo:

That's from the arrive alive website. It's not the part of the table I was showing but for discussion sake. It doesn't specify what the cost is. It could be the police driving to the scene. The ambulance costs. The hospital costs for the people. The cost of damage to infrastructure. The damage to the cars. Etc etc.

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Diesel I am agreeing with you. One hears this sort of figure bandied about by Dept of Transport every now and again; ie that road fatalities cost the economy Billions each year. The exact figure, with great respect, really isn't all that import once the "Billion" mark is breached.

It is a huge amount of money whether incurred directly or indirectly. The fact remains imho that if a fraction of the figure put forward as the cost of the fatalities was spent on improving visible patrolling police vehicles on the highways and byways, I remain utterly convinced there would be a significant decrease in these figures almost instantly.

There is however one fly in the ointment. The highest fatalities remain (and will remain sadly) pedestrians. People running across freeways who have no business being there in the first place.

However, because one of the questions in the learners licence test now is;

"when is it legal to stop on the freeway" Answer: "To pick up passengers"

then we're not going to get rid of that threat.:thumbdo:

There's actually a "bus stop" / pedestrian pickup point ON THE FREEWAY at the Avoca / KwaMashu interchange in Durban North. I kid you not:RedNo:

Low and behold, on a regular basis, there is a pedestrian killed crossing the freeway at that point. The freeway is 4 (or maybe even 5 now) lanes wide at that point.

 

[kilotango]

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UMMMM... Most F1 champs were under 26. So saying a 26 year driving a M4 is an accident waiting to happen just sounds like sour grapes to me. Age has jack to do with ability.

sour grapes?

except that they've been through a lifetime of training... those okes are in a different league from normal human beings. like you and me and every other person who doesnt currently have a racing or FIA super license. most insurance companies currently use this logic too when it comes to age.

 

[Captain_Stealth]

Thing is those oaks shouldn't have been speeding like that. They understood the consequences of driving like maniacs and in the end 2 innocent lives were lost because of selfish behavior.

 

[DieselFan]

no sympathy for the dude who caused it, but its always the innocents who get taken out by some d**s in a fast car. pardon my french..

Not saying the driver was not at fault. He was.
Should not have been speeding.
What grates my balls is people that are very quick to pass judgement as if they so innocent.
You never sped in your life?
We all as you say dooses because none of us can say, yes we have never ever sped.
Rather take it as a lesson to not do the same as this guy before saying no sympathy, remember he didn't drive drunk or go out intentionally to kill people. It was a stupid accident that shouldn't of happened because in a moment of stupidity and immaturity he did wrong. That's it.
I see people do allot worse and walk among us.



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mate, i absolutely respect your opinion on this and i see where you are coming from. now i come from a place where i've seen too many young people kill themselves (and other people) with fast cars or bikes. i ride a suzuki tl1000r vtwin in my spare time.. so i'm very familiar with the world of being a chop and speeding.

the full news article that i read on this, said that the driver was 26. so my opinion (and where my earlier comment comes from) is this.. a 26 year old driving a friggin M4 really is an accident waiting to happen. the problem is that its always a stupid mistake at the wrong time that ends up like this. sure, everyone speeds and will do something stupid at some time or another...but the difference with most people of 'age' is that they know a place and time.

it really makes me angry when i see young people waste their lives from a moment of hot headedness. not only this, two innocent people just walking on the street were killed too. so now one mistake becomes a life long tragedy between all these families that are involved.

i really do think drinking and driving, is not any different from being stupid and driving. the consequences are the same

edit: i know you knew this driver, and i feel crap for you and the loss of all the people involved. i do apologise for my earlier comments. i cant judge him as a person, or of who/what he was..that only the family and friends will know. my comments were purely based on what has happened. im not "holier than thou".. but i know of 6 young people personally who have been lost in moments exactly like this..and its always the same cause.

UMMMM... Most F1 champs were under 26. So saying a 26 year driving a M4 is an accident waiting to happen just sounds like sour grapes to me. Age has jack to do with ability.

F1 driver who drive on a prepared track. It has less to do with ability than it has to do with responsibility on a public road. Where anything can happen.

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[VictorMike]

UMMMM... Most F1 champs were under 26. So saying a 26 year driving a M4 is an accident waiting to happen just sounds like sour grapes to me. Age has jack to do with ability.

Its not about ability, its about responsibility.

 

[Willy]

And experience.

You can not compare an F1 driver that has been karting from the age of 3 that races on a track to a normal guy with to much money for his brains.

And even F1 drivers cause road accidents btw.