BMW Haters

[Yuvan]

@Yuvan im very sure they were racing as no normal driver spins the tyres from the take off!!
You do the math if my runx was making about 175kws compared to a 330i(190kws) and my car weighs much less would it still be far fetched?
A bmw is great and fast but not unbeatable, other runx's with the same work as me are doing 14.5 to 14.7 on the 1/4 mile, i dont see a standard 330i doing that

The Beemer is 190KW while the RunX is at 141KW(175KW on yours you claim with Mods, you picked up over 33KW with a few mods). The BM has a top speed of 250KMs/H while RunX is at 215KMs/H. The BM weighs 1555 Kilos while the RunX is at 1178 Kilos. The BM has 300Nm of Torque at 2500 and the RunX 180Nm of torque at 6800. Given that you modded your RunX i doubt that you increased your torque by any significant amount.

Paying attention that the BM is a luxury family car designed for long distance and having substantial pulling power (torque) meant for pulling a caravan or whatever, it makes up for more than the 377kilos lost against the RunX.


Paying attention to the RunX RSI, designed for high performance as compared to the Beemer, may be weighing less and pushes 141KW but lacks on torque and afterall is a 1.8 engine not capable of much torque.

Bearing all the facts mentioned above and the possiblity that the RunX and the BMW engaged in a race on flat on a dead start gave both cars ample time to build up momentum before the incline. Bearing the facts in mind from the dead start the two cars should have been neck and neck b4 the incline, upon entering the uphill the BM would have pulled away in a matter of a few meters undoubtably due to the fact that there is enough torque behind the hood of the BMW waiting to defy the laws of gravity. The power packed 1.8 would just not have enough on the BMW 330i.

My verdict : YES, your story is too far fetched!!!!

 

[WyKiD]

The other similar argument is Xbox 360 vs PS3.

Ag, nee man. The X360 vs PS3 is like a Merc vs BMW thing. Bringing Toyota in, is like bringing the Atari name to the current consoles.

......:roflol:

Done with the E90 320i...starting out with the Toyota's, hey MSM???

 

[Yuvan]

the only reason for supra motors or lexus motors is the used is probably due to them being readily avail and cheaper to modify..

True That, besides you will pay an arm and leg along with some other parts for a good condition Beemer motor! Dont even try to get it from BMW themselves they will give you a heart and fart attack, they quoted me 64K for an E36 320i engine, what a joke!!!

 

[Agld]

One thing about all conversations relating to cars & their speed/performance, always ends up in comparison with the benchmark M3.

Ive owned an alfa, vw, toyota, merc, honda and ofcors the infamous BMW and the thing is that nomatter wat you own its always compared to a M3. Haters just like to be oblivous to the facts or choose to believe thier own BS.

Golf keeping up with an m3 lol yes ive seen it happen but after a couple 100k spent on the motor and apart from that the golf would fall apart if it had to go further then the next robot. Thats the fundermental difference that the haters dont seem to grasp (ive had countless arguments bout this with haters, need some help from my fanatics):rollsmile:

 

[moranor@axis]

again with the maths:

20v RXi at 115kw/157Nm and weighs 1060Kg =
108Kw/ton and 148Nm/ton

e36 325i 141 kW/245 Nm and weighs about 1295 kg =
108Kw/ton and 189Nm/ton

runx Rsi 141KW/180Nm and weighs about 1178 Kilos =
119Kw/ton and 152Nm/ton

e90 330i 190KW/300Nm and weighs about 1555 Kilos =
122Kw/ton and 192Nm/ton

SKYFs RunX 175KW/??Nm and weighs about 1178 Kilos =
148Kw/ton and 1??Nm/ton

lets not forget SKYFs RunX was modded... anyone have some mildly modded bmw specs?

stock it still looks like these cars only just match up (looks like they will lose most of the time) to mid range bmws... they seriously lack torque because of their displacement...

 

[Trigger]

i think the footage will tell the tale, i personally know the guy i raced and he can drive...

1st gear im almost a car ahead with good launch

2nd gear im still a car ahead

3rd gear he closes on me

4th gear he opens up half a car

5th gear i reel him in and pass him @ about 210 kmph and the gap just increases

All done on a private test track

will post footage once i've sorted through the many videos i have of our private race track:thumbs:

Are u at the coast or at the reef?

Not disputing or anything, but at the coast a stock 325i should'nt really be ahead, at least not until 800m, if the XRSi or 20v is driven properly.
Not once have I experienced this while owning a 20v.

As far as a 20v that has broken into the 13's...I've never heard of it. Fastest has been in the 14's afaik. The 20V Trigger refers to, if it's the one I'm thinking of, is based in DBN and ran at Matuba then the car has some decent mods on it but still NA.

Trigger are you referring to the conquest 20v?

I also know of a strong Toda 20v in DBN - not sure what the times on that car is though.

The 20v I am referring to is an RXi Corolla, proper everyday car with work on it. The Conquest 20v's have run 13.2sec 1/4miles to 13.7 sec 1/4miles, but they have been stripped down a bit. At one of the Durban drags, the Gearbox Centre Tazz 20v lined up against an E36 ///m (modded) and the crowd thought like WTF! But when they went down the strip, the Tazz was ahead, the crowd was shocked:=): But highly modded and stripped out vs street ///M, obviously the ///M is a better car:thumbs:

As for 330i vs RunX RSi, a 330i is definitely faster, but on the 1/4 mile if both cars are driven well, its extremely close! After that the 330i would just open due to torque and gearing!

As for XRSi vs 325i at the coast especially, eish, its like a no show, the 325i is more of a contest for the RXi and that too, it will only catch the RXi on a longer stretch.

As for the statement about having to drop gears, thats just a misconception. The RXi and XRSI motors produce their torque from lower down and dont need to be revved to get moving. If I remember correctly, the 2ZZGE motor makes 90% of its torque from around 2000rpm. You dont need to drop gears uphills and stuff.lol
3rd gear on an RXi is deadly and 4th gear on an XRSi is just unbelievable. Please drive these cars before making assumptions.

BMW's are better cars no doubt, but you cant compare BMW to Toyota as they compete in different segments.

However, the ///M3 will always be the benchmark:inlove:

 

[Nic_s]

again with the maths:

20v RXi at 115kw/157Nm and weighs 1060Kg =
108Kw/ton and 148Nm/ton

e36 325i 141 kW/245 Nm and weighs about 1295 kg =
108Kw/ton and 189Nm/ton

runx Rsi 141KW/180Nm and weighs about 1178 Kilos =
119Kw/ton and 152Nm/ton

e90 330i 190KW/300Nm and weighs about 1555 Kilos =
122Kw/ton and 192Nm/ton

SKYFs RunX 175KW/??Nm and weighs about 1178 Kilos =
148Kw/ton and 1??Nm/ton

lets not forget SKYFs RunX was modded... anyone have some mildly modded bmw specs?

stock it still looks like these cars only just match up (looks like they will lose most of the time) to mid range bmws... they seriously lack torque because of their displacement...

Deja Vu anyone?

 

[Trigger]

@ Nic_S, love your sig man:rollsmile:

I owned an 87' 325i for a few months this year, what a machine and to say they have to be caught in the wild, its so apt:bravo:

Most fun cars to drive IMO:

1. BMW M3 E46 (havent driven an E92 to compare)
2. BMW 325iS
3. RunX RSi
4. Honda Vtec
5. Corolla RXi
6. Golf 1:flyfun:

I'm sure the Lexus iS-F is amazing and the 63 is awesome, but have never sat in one or driven one to compare

 

[XMAX]

I am really interested in this debate....


slightly modded.. Please explain.. Freeflow, Gas Flow, Cams, Gearbox, ECU, Supercharger, Nitrous...


@MSM - Lol at the ATARI comparison.


No standard toyota Corolla / Runx / Conquest will ever be fast enough to handle a M3. not even the AgZE Supercharged versions. Sure theyre quick, but show them a corner and see what happens..... straight into a bush or tree. Theres no competition against a perfectly designed chassis, excellent weight distribution and lots of torque.


Toyotas are great cars but to have the fanboys racing their RICE Rockets against standard BMW's is like trying to race a Boeing 747 against a Saturn V Rocket. The 747 will outlaunch the Saturn V but once all those millions of pounds of thrust come into play the 747 looks like its moving backwards. I hope this analogy is ok.

 

[Trigger]

@ Xmax, totally agree with you buddy. NO Toyota besides the Supra could tackle an M3 in any way besides maybe fuel consumption:rollsmile:

No normal passenger car is as well balanced and rewarding to drive as a BMW, especially the ///M3:inlove:

 

[Funky Toyz]

And so we conclude, once again, the ///M3 is the benchmark in every aspect :biglol:

 

[SKYF]

@moranor my runx made around 210nm on the flywheel it was really strong and top speed was reached on 5th gear with one more gear to go.
i can only say so much if people think its far fetched i can do nothing, everyone is entitled to their own opinion

 

[Doomsdaya]

And so we conclude, once again, the ///M3 is the benchmark in every aspect :biglol:

E36 :thumbs: but which one...... coupe or 4 door :rollsmile:

The E46 is still waiting for its turn :biglol:

 

[moranor@axis]

20v RXi at 115kw/157Nm and weighs 1060Kg =
108Kw/ton and 148Nm/ton

e36 325i 141 kW/245 Nm and weighs about 1295 kg =
108Kw/ton and 189Nm/ton

runx Rsi 141KW/180Nm and weighs about 1178 Kilos =
119Kw/ton and 152Nm/ton

e90 330i 190KW/300Nm and weighs about 1555 Kilos =
122Kw/ton and 192Nm/ton

SKYFs RunX 175KW/??Nm and weighs about 1178 Kilos =
148Kw/ton and 178Nm/ton

looks like SKYFs RunX would have been able to do what he said if you take into account that the RunX will have a very short ratio when compared to the 330i

i can use Killas app later to put some graphs up if you people want...

 

[Metroid]

And so we conclude, once again, the ///M3 is the benchmark in every aspect :biglol:

It is and always will be. What people forget when comparing other cars to the M3 is that the Bimmer is a complete package. It's great that you think your car is as fast as an M3 but don't forget about how complete the car is. Everything is beautifully engineered.

 

[Funky Toyz]

And so we conclude, once again, the ///M3 is the benchmark in every aspect :biglol:

E36 :thumbs: but which one...... coupe or 4 door :rollsmile:

The E46 is still waiting for its turn :biglol:

:biglol: Talk about opening another can of worms.

afaik the 4 door had double vanos and also a 3.2 vs the 3.0l single vanos of the 2 door (correct me if I'm wrong)

Gearbox was also different, with 6 forward on the 3.2 and 5 forward on the 3.0.

But if I had to choose - I would choose a 2 door German Spec - there's just something about it :inlove:

 

[pain68]

@ Nic_S, love your sig man:rollsmile:

I owned an 87' 325i for a few months this year, what a machine and to say they have to be caught in the wild, its so apt:bravo:

Most fun cars to drive IMO:

1. BMW M3 E46 (havent driven an E92 to compare)
2. BMW 325iS
3. RunX RSi
4. Honda Vtec
5. Corolla RXi
6. Golf 1:flyfun:

I'm sure the Lexus iS-F is amazing and the 63 is awesome, but have never sat in one or driven one to compare

I have an e30 1989 316i, with 325i motor, now thats a pocket rocket with the 316i gearbox and dif :thumbs:

 

[mr t]

i have footage of me totally annihilating a runx rsi trd from start to finish with my standard e36 325i... will post the footage soon

Awesome

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If i am not mistaken some 20v's have broke into the 13s as well.raise:
I had a runx rsi before i bought my 135i, i dished out enough hiding with my little 1.8, the highlight was when i beat a e90 330i and a 530d(up hill):rollsmile:
My Runx was aprox 175kws, only had exhaust, induction & Chip.
The problem with the runx is that its not the easiest car to drive, get it right and u will be rewarded.

I dont think other than a e36 m3 any other e36 would beat a mildly modified runx, but then again anything happens on the street:thumbs:

LOL, are you sure the driver of the E90 330i had any idea that u were trying to beat him up hill or even the dude with the 530D, come one seriously now!!!!

This is the typical Toyota driver behaviour i was trying to explain!!!

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+ 1 Million. the E46 330i has 290Nm and the E39 530d has 390Nm. The e46 has at least 90 Nm on the X. Come on man. N/A 4 cyl's are not known for their high torque, no matter what power they push.

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@ Yulen, sorry I just saw your post now. Lol. If I had the choice id take the 330i and YES I am biased.

Guys, lets not let this forum become like the other local forums. Where all that matters is who's got the biggest....er...engine? Thats is exactly why I joined this forum, its chilled, great guys(and fuzzy) and no one is trying to outshine the next oke.

 

[Nikhil]

Nice thread guys very informative, I ran a against a friends runx rsi with my e36 325i and i stuck with him gear for gear,although if i had more road i think i wud have pulled away towards the end of my 3rd gear,but bear in mind that the runx had a lightened fly button clutch as well as full exhaust system. i think he would have kicked my ass at the coast tho because of it high compression engine.

 

[Yuvan]

i have footage of me totally annihilating a runx rsi trd from start to finish with my standard e36 325i... will post the footage soon

Awesome

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If i am not mistaken some 20v's have broke into the 13s as well.raise:
I had a runx rsi before i bought my 135i, i dished out enough hiding with my little 1.8, the highlight was when i beat a e90 330i and a 530d(up hill):rollsmile:
My Runx was aprox 175kws, only had exhaust, induction & Chip.
The problem with the runx is that its not the easiest car to drive, get it right and u will be rewarded.

I dont think other than a e36 m3 any other e36 would beat a mildly modified runx, but then again anything happens on the street:thumbs:

LOL, are you sure the driver of the E90 330i had any idea that u were trying to beat him up hill or even the dude with the 530D, come one seriously now!!!!

This is the typical Toyota driver behaviour i was trying to explain!!!

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+ 1 Million. the E46 330i has 290Nm and the E39 530d has 390Nm. The e46 has at least 90 Nm on the X. Come on man. N/A 4 cyl's are not known for their high torque, no matter what power they push.

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@ Yulen, sorry I just saw your post now. Lol. If I had the choice id take the 330i and YES I am biased.

Guys, lets not let this forum become like the other local forums. Where all that matters is who's got the biggest....er...engine? Thats is exactly why I joined this forum, its chilled, great guys(and fuzzy) and no one is trying to outshine the next oke.

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