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msm

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Toyota made some good cars back in the day. GLI TC was one of them. Unfortunately, nothing after that really had the X factor (locally, at least) ... they were just too "bland", which was a pity cos Toyota had some superb cars (original Supra, Celica, etc) that they did not bring here.
 

Doomsdaya

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Before I bought my 328i, I was looking for a vtec or rxi only to realise its like looking for a used condom :floggin: Both are great cars but the abuse they go through is unimaginable, makes you think twice before buying either one 2nd hand.

So far from most of the vtecs and rxi's i've seen, the vtecs had new engines fitted while the rxi's had bearing knocks :whip: oh and what they sell for these days is ridiculous

To put against a M3 is a joke :rofl: but i recon against a 328i would be interesting
 

msm

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Trigger said:
Either way, which other 1.8l motor came close to that power? If I remember correctly, the E46 325i made 141Kw?

At least the 325i did not have to drop 5 gears to get into the narrow "power band" :blab:
 

moranor@axis

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my mom used to drive an RSI and it was great when you had it on the perfect revs at the right time... but i hated driving that thing because to get any joy you had to rev the crap out of it...

i find that to be the general jap way... they chase numbers not driveability...
 

Yuvan

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mr t said:
Yuvan said:
pain68 said:
lol what about the guys that drives vtecs?
LOL...not much of them left, most of them crashed thier beloved V-tecs! Vtec was a good car though!!!

You obviously do not live in Cape Town. LOL. CT is littered with sti's,20v's and vtec's. Those cars are good for what they are...means of transport. As far as engineering goes, there's really nothing like German Engineering, this is coming from a MechEng student. They Germans are great. Besides when last did you hear of Japanese Engineering? Hehehe. From a reliabity point of view, the Jap cars/engines are generally more reliable, but thats only because they generally don't push the boundaries(Honda S2000 excluded) as far as performance N/A cars go. Thus, tolerances are greater, Comp ratio's are lower and milder cams are used, all improving reliabity. When it comes to forced induction, especially Turbocharging the Japs are also quite good, but simply because they have being doing this for years... think skyline, supra, wrx sti and so on. But ja, those frikkin 20v, sti and vtec okes irritate me. More so their ignorance. Niks Torque maar hulle wil praat. The other day I google the 3.1 vr6 conversion for interest sake, and a thread on the Nismo forum somehow popped up... "200sti vs E46 M3" I cant remember what the mods the sti guy had, but even the Nismonians knew he was talking thru his poophole.
LOL, those Rsi, Rxi and vtec owners give the brand a bad reputation



XMAX said:
:biglol: at Coisman.


:roflol: @ Hellas. In dbn, theres a Ford Escort MkIII that has an e36 front end. Looking from the front you would definitely think that its a BMW. Its even a BMW Colour (cant remember whether Daytona Violet or Avus Blue, was way too drunk at the car shows to remember correctly). walk around to the side and then youll see that its a Ford Escort Hatchback. Thats a serious LOL


Guys, whats with all the jap hating. I love the Japanese cars.I especially love the box shape Toyota Corolla. you know the one im speaking about. The one with the square lights and RWD. If I could get hold of a neat one of those, I would.


Sure I love BMW and will be loyal to the brand for the rest of my life, but I have alot of respect for those RSI, RXI, GLi's. Lots of power from a little engine. For front wheel drives they handled pretty decently also. In a true test, put an e36 316i against a 20v and see what happens.


We shouldnt only paint the Jap guys the same way. Ive seen plenty a Mk1 Golf with a cone filter do crazy things. You guys should go to Chamberlain Road in Jacobs, Dbn and see how crazy some of these Golfies get.

Some of the owners of these cars are daft c@#ts but we have the same in the BMW Community as well. Ive heard of guys with N55s claim to take on a Lambo, or e46 M3s destroying Ferraris. Im not hating on Beemers, just saying that there are these idiots in the BMW stable as well.





I have no idea what I might be saying. Heavily drugged on Synape Forte. Please forgive any stupidity.... :) it was an interesting drive to work this morning.

The E36 316i is not fair competition as the RXi was meant to be the king of the corolla's in that era, its motor is worked, its meant for racing, im not sure of facts when it comes to the technical specs of the RXi but i might be wrong in that it comes standard with low compression pistons, the 316i was meant for economic driving no magic performance just a standard 1.6, i wont call that a challenge, it will be interesting to see the E36 318is motorsport up against the Rxi, Rsi and what not!!!

 

Nic_s

///Member
We used to have a box shape toyota years ago and it couldn't make some the steeper hills in the town where we lived... not even in 1st gear. You could also take out the key while the motor was running. It's not that the car was in bad shape or abused, it's kinda just the way the car was. My mom sold it and it's actually still going quite well and still looks good.

After the box shape, my mom got a slightly newer 1.3L corola and we still have it. It's had the engine redone twice and although it drives OK (once warmed up) it's still making some knocking noises while running.

I don't think I'll ever buy a Toyota as my personal experience with them has not given me much confidence.
 

AshG108

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Coisman said:
:pimp:
Ok, guys, enough with the badmouthing of the toyota's and the hondas!! :nono:
I drove both ok, and I will tell you my 1986 toyota corolla gli twincam kicked ass!! It was so bad-ass that when I pulled off quick the spare-wheel would start to spin!! :mmm:
I also drove a 1998 honda ballade 160i vtec, yes, the proper vtec, not the "i-vtec", and that thing was so fast, that if you pulled off at a set of lights with that thing, the 2 front doors would move back and over-lap the rear doors, making it look like a coupe!! :mmm:
There was lots of times I took on M3's, and I will tell you, I always won, ok! So who cares if they were parked next to the road?? :mmm: Not my fault the owner didn't know how to start his car and try to beat me!! :mmm:
So there you go, to all the twincam and vtec haters out there... screw you with your bmw's, you aint got nothing against me!! :)

by any chance, are you Micheal "super-mike" Naicker?:biglol::biglol::biglol:
 

lucian

Member
BMW will always be tops when it comes to class and quality.
Just no competition there esp when cars age.
Jap cars tend to fall apart and feel like empty cans while a beemer holds it's stature.
 

Yuvan

Active member
netercol said:
Toyota and all its Japanese counter parts are far from accomplishing what its German competition has accomplished over the years of Motorsport and precision engineering!!

lol, u kidding right? thats like saying only the americans know how to build a v8! ever driven a supra or skyline or even a 300zx tt in anger?
just because the japanese have different design philosophies from the germans does not mean they cannot engineer :)

and yes i am a fan of ALL legendary feats of engineering..

Like i said it's only an opinion, japanese cars are nice, i would own a Jap car in a scenario where i needed to go from point A to B but if i wanted to get there and enjoy and have a blast on my way from point A to B, it would most def NOT be in a jap car! the plastic interior, the weak body metals......just doesnt cut it, take the lexus, meant to be a luxury car....sure it has all the features but go and have a feel of the car, it just cant compare to the quality that the germans produce!!


Supra, Celica, GTR and the rest, nice sports cars but thats only because they have moorse big turbos in them, you can't compare natural aspirated to forced induction, its like trying to win a race by foot and breathing through a straw! Those sports cars (supra, GTR etc) are nice, im sure they pack a strong punch but as far as making a benchmark and making a car that has earned respect over unrivalled acomplishments, the Japs are far from archieving what the the Germans have accomplished in the world of motorsport superiority!!

But hey, its just my 5 cents worth of opinion, im a BMW fanatic not because i just made up my mind to be one day but because i have been convinced through my years, i never liked BMW, i was a ford person, i read countless articals in the CAR magz praising BMW for its handling and performance, which annoyed me.

It started when a friend owned a 325is no need to say more as we all know the 325is is a legend but that didnt turn my blood as yet, he went on and owned a 325i E36, what a awesome car, at that time there was hype about the M3, which i thot was all too much, during this time i owned some Fords, Toyotas, 200sti for a brief moment and a VW passat, its a long story but in short i started to take note of the brand, did some researh, had some test drives, until i finally decided to purchase an E36 320i, not the best of the BMW's but definately not the fastest i have owned but just the way the car behaved and responded to every command, the way the car was built, like the experts say Sheer Driving Pleasure, i longed to own a M3, i couldnt afford it at the time, so i saved and saved, after a big fight with the wife i decided to buy an E36 328i cabriolet, so far nothing i have owned comes close, i have raced a vtec, Rxi, Velo, C180 Compressor (new spec) and prelude and won, i lost against BMW M3 E36, BMW 330i E46, BMW 335i E90, C63 AMG. I have driven some buddies of mines vehicles which include an M3 E36 and E46 along with GLi's, Rsi's, Rxi's, GTi's, XR8's, Big 6 cortina's, RunX rsi, Subaru(not sure what type but it was like a station wagen but sport version) Audi A6, Opel OPC (very fast) and focus ST.....but none can compare to the M3, its just a funfilled car to drive with lots and lots of BMW Mpower!!!
 
Yuvan said:
The E36 316i is not fair competition as the RXi was meant to be the king of the corolla's in that era, its motor is worked, its meant for racing, im not sure of facts when it comes to the technical specs of the RXi but i might be wrong in that it comes standard with low compression pistons, the 316i was meant for economic driving no magic performance just a standard 1.6, i wont call that a challenge, it will be interesting to see the E36 318is motorsport up against the Rxi, Rsi and what not!!!

I used to own a RSI 20V before I bought my 318ti back in the day.

They came with High compression motors, if I remember correctly 11:1 and had a rev limiter of 8000 rpm. I enjoyed my car and really loved it. As far as racing an ///M3 E36 is concerned, there is no way a 20V will keep up. The average times on Killarney's quarter mile drag strip on a 20V is about 15 seconds whilst the ///M3's are doing 13 odd second passes.

WRT to a 20V racing a 318is - the BM will get creamed for sure. Hell the 20V will even cream me in my E90 320i... Those 20V's are little pocket rockets in their class, and can box with many bigger cars over 400m.

Edit: The quickest pass at Killarney for a 20V is 14.5 seconds whilst the quickest pass for a RunX RSi is 14.3 afaik.

Not bad for 1600 and 1800 motors with a few minor changes :thumbs:

 

pain68

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Before I became a BMW fanatic I was a die hard honda fan, my brother and I had countless arguments over which was better. and I always won ( Simply because he was my younger brother lol :biglol: ) but anyway to cust a long story short, these okes with vtecs had hella attitude and that just put me off, its true they give the brand a bad name because I honestly think that a vtec is quite impressive for a 4 cyl. anyway I then started spending alot of time with acmat oeg since I was friends with his sons and been loving b'ems ever since, turbo charged, N/A, on the track or off. its just a brilliant car and there is no two ways about that.:thumbs:
 

Trigger

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@ Funky,

Here in Durbs, fastest 20v time is 14.3 sec and XRSi 14.5 sec

Not in M3 leagues, but damn fast for small capacity motors
 

Imran

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i have footage of me totally annihilating a runx rsi trd from start to finish with my standard e36 325i... will post the footage soon
 

WyKiD

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Trigger said:
@ Funky,

Here in Durbs, fastest 20v time is 14.3 sec and XRSi 14.5 sec

Not in M3 leagues, but damn fast for small capacity motors

Impressive times, any idea on the work done to these cars?
 

Trigger

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@ Imran, no dispute there that you could have done that to an RSi, but if you put a skilled driver behind the wheel of an XRSi, it is a totally different ball game:rollsmile:

@ Wykid,

XRSi: exhaust, decat, induction, chip
RXi: headwork, exhaust, induction, management, lsd, rebore.

Alot of work on the RXi to run those times, but then again, no street spec 1600 besides that RXi has done that. Street spec means, full seats, doorpads, etc etc.

The RunX's - exhaust, decat, induction and chip sees them do a 14.8/14.7 time. Stock ones maybe 15.1:=):
Pity we dont have a prepped track down here:yuck:
 

WyKiD

Active member
Coastal air seems to make a considerable difference to the performance of these cars. Many moons ago at the the now non existent Wesbank raceway had many runs against 20v and vtecs with my CTi, usually stock or with with minor mods. The times that were being done were in the +/-17sec bracket, traction was not great due to unprepped track but a great time was had by all esp me as I was probably ahead of 80-90% of the multivalve guys....
 

Trigger

New member
Yes it does buddy.

Put it in perspective, the small capacity high revving engines need optimum air flow in order to run properly. I believe the air is thinner up there and a NA car loses about 17% power up there.

Take the RXi at 115kw/157Nm at the coast, and weighs 1060Kg = 108Kw/ton
At the reef = 95kw and = 89kw/ton

15 sec 1/4 mile here + 17% = 17.55sec so 17sec+ up there is the correct time

Nice 540i ///M btw
 

SKYF

Member
If i am not mistaken some 20v's have broke into the 13s as well.:praise:
I had a runx rsi before i bought my 135i, i dished out enough hiding with my little 1.8, the highlight was when i beat a e90 330i and a 530d(up hill):rollsmile:
My Runx was aprox 175kws, only had exhaust, induction & Chip.
The problem with the runx is that its not the easiest car to drive, get it right and u will be rewarded.

I dont think other than a e36 m3 any other e36 would beat a mildly modified runx, but then again anything happens on the street:thumbs:
 

moranor@axis

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Imran said:
i have footage of me totally annihilating a runx rsi trd from start to finish with my standard e36 325i... will post the footage soon

sounds about right...

RXi at 115kw/157Nm and weighs 1060Kg =
108Kw/ton and 148Nm/ton

e36 325i 141 kW/245 Nm and weighs about 1295 kg =
108Kw/ton and 189Nm/ton

M3 killers no way in hell... if they cant even beat mid range bmws...
 

WyKiD

Active member
Trigger said:
Yes it does buddy.

Put it in perspective, the small capacity high revving engines need optimum air flow in order to run properly. I believe the air is thinner up there and a NA car loses about 17% power up there.

Take the RXi at 115kw/157Nm at the coast, and weighs 1060Kg = 108Kw/ton
At the reef = 95kw and = 89kw/ton

15 sec 1/4 mile here + 17% = 17.55sec so 17sec+ up there is the correct time

Nice 540i ///M btw

Thanks bud, the opposite end of the scale though....."displacement"
 
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