BMW F30 330D VS 2014+ Lexus IS 350 F Sport

brentbmw

Member
Hey guys! Been a while since I posted and thought I would pick your brains once again.

For those who know me they would know I had a 2011 X3 Xdrive35i and SWAMBO had E90 pre-lci 330D.

In the time since I last posted a lot has happened, the E90 got totaled by a drunk driver (luckily we were not injured) and I got rid of the X3, it became an absolute nightmare to keep on the road! I had been quite anal with the servicing of the vehicle but it still did not help. Fast forward to early this year first thing that went on the X3 was the rear main seal, then the coolant bottle, followed by the water pump. I then had PCV failure and replaced the tappet cover, then the PCV hose literally disintegrated in my hands when I was changing the tappet cover, I just replaced it with radiator hose lol.

Some of these I realized when I bought it were maintenance items such as water pump and such, but this is where things took a turn for the worse. I started getting drivetrain warnings constantly and having it reduce power, I took it to a specialist and they could not pinpoint what was wrong at first then it turned out to be VANOS solenoid, got this replaced, then the oil filter housing gasket started leaking. I then got another drivetrain warning on iDrive and this time it turned out to be the HPFP. I was done at this stage and sold the car about 2 months ago, I felt this was just too many issues for a car with 125000km on.

Sorry for all the back info but had to set up my question correctly because I know many will just say "get a 335i or 340i" however my nightmare experience with the N55 in my X3 has completely put me off BMW petrol reliability, the E90 330D we had was faultless though.

So we are looking for a replacement for the X3, I have narrowed it down to a F30 330D or 2014+ Lexus IS 350 F-Sport 228kw 377nm( looking for reliability and a car to keep for 5-7 years ) so I wanted your opinions on these 2 options? I work from home now so trips are very limited.

I have test driven the IS 350 F-Sport of a buddy mine who is selling his and I was quite surprisingly impressed. It certainly lacks the low down push the X3 had but on the top end my butt dyno tells me it feels faster, especially after 4200-4500rpm (JHB altitude) where it will push you nicely into the seat until it changes. Interior is extremely well made and seats are very comfortable, the nav/infotainment system was horrible compared to iDrive though. Looks are subjective but I found the car uniquely attractive. Gearbox is okay, not on the level the ZF 8 speed is, but very good none the less, my biggest complaint of the powertrain is the lack of a kickdown, you need to manually gear down if the gearbox decides it isn't dropping as many gears as you want, this I found frustrating coming from a BMW, especially with it being naturally aspirated and having the useable power much higher in the rev range. On the biggest and most positive note, after all my research and my personal experience of the build quality, one can tell this is a Toyota product and it will be as reliable as a Camry.

I have yet to test drive a 330D but wanted to ask from those who own/have knowledge about the reliability/long term ownership of them if they would chime in and help me make the right decision? How reliable are they? Is it something I should be looking at if I plan to keep the car out of motor plan for 5-7 years?

On a last note, I honestly think the IS 350 F-Sport may just just be faster than a stock F30 330D, even at this altitude. With the wife (now driving a 2017 Focus ST) following us on the test drive, lucky for me having the known owner of the Lexus he told me to line up with the ST at the following robot and go for it, talk about confidence lol. Swambo was in to give it a go and to my amazement when we set off by the time we got to around 130km/h the Lexus was around 2 car lengths ahead...didn't expect that. Same story on a roll from 40km/h, this time I held it in manual mode right in the powerband and it destroyed the ST, really not what I expected at this altitude.

I myself have had a go in the ST against a F30 330D and it could not get away from me at all, hence why I think the Lexus may just have the edge between these 2, what are your opinions though?

My buddy is willing to let his 2015 Lexus go for R260k@83k km full service history at Lexus Constantia, the cheapest local 330D I can find with comparable mileage is R349k and that's a 2013...I do around 1000km a month only and all driving is in town, negating diesel saving.

What would you guys do if in my shoes? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated! Also if anyone has directly compared these cars or cross shopped the IS 350 with a BMW I'd love to know what your thoughts/experiences were too.

Cheers
 

tman

Well-known member
The 330d's reliability and longevity (if looked after properly) speaks for itself

Seems you are gatvol of issues, I cant comment on the Lexus, if your research tells you its reliable it seems like a worthy contender.
 

PsyCLown

Well-known member
I'd personally go for a 330D, remove DPF and put software on.
Price on that Lexus seems good though, I feel it will be heavier than the 330d in town driving too though. Sounds as if the Lexus is perhaps not quite as effortless to drive though.

I assume you still want some power to have fun with when you do go for a drive, otherwise 320d would be a good option.

It is not uncommon to see high mileage (over 200K KM easily, over 300k KM at times even) on the BMW 20d and 30d engines, particularly the N47 (2L) and N57 (3L).

There also seem to be a few things you dislike about the Lexus, will they not start to frustrate you more if its the only car you're driving? The only positive it has going for it is the performance and price and I honestly have no clue what resale value is like on a Lexus but for the year and mileage the price sounds pretty good.
 

VinceM

Well-known member
So sorry man, that N55 sounds like it was a real nightmare. Taking your hard earned money!

As for 330D, I have never owned one but I have owned 3 3.0d BMW cars, one of which I took to 260k km.

Never had an issue with either one,
1. Was on 260 000km when sold
2. Had 153 000km when sold
3. Latest one has 86 000km as of this past weekend.

Zero motor related issues,

One the 1st one, at some point had less power on acceleration (no fault codes thrown, just less power), I used this then it was fine afterwards
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Second one, was an X3. Only issue there was a leaking shock absorber which had nothing to do with the motor.

Third one, I just recently purchased. No issues yet, touch wood!

I strongly recommend the 3.0 motors from BMW (turbo = Diesel; naturally aspirated = petrol). My old ladies, the two e46s never skip a beat.




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MR_Y

Well-known member
I have a soft spot for under dog cars that are reliable and well-made (I traded in my F30 320d for a Volvo).
I have not driven the IS350, but I have heard good things. The only negative being the high price when new/nearly new vs its rivals.

My vote still goes to the Lexus.

Reasons:
- V6 engine noise
- No turbo = no turbo issues
- Proven Japanese reliability
- Your friend owned the car, so you have a full and honest history
- You will less likely get hijacked or have this car stolen vs an F30. This should mean lower insurance (that saving in insurance can be used to pay for the higher fuel bills of the V6).
- The price of R260k is too good to ignore for all that power, spec and reliability.

However, while Lexus is a reliable brand they are not as cheap as a Toyota to maintain. If you budget for that, you should be fine.
 

Salt

///Member
https://www.bmwfanatics.co.za/threads/f30-330d-msport.95150/#post-1450436 330d M Sport from a forum member and still under motorplan till May this year.

I'd go for the 330d. I've driven one and with 190kw and 560nm stock you'd really not be short of power. You can always decat and tune agter motorplan runs out and have a reasonable amount of extra power on top. Plus that fuel economy will be 2nd to few other cars. I get 1100km on a 57l tank F30 320d decat and software.
 

TurboLlew

Honorary ///Member
The B58 is on another level vs. the N54 and N55. I can see how trusting another turbo petrol car might be difficult for you but research the improvements and see if that brings you any more comfort.

If it doesn't then my vote goes to the Lexus just to be different. Doesn't seem like fuel is too much of an issue for you and you have short trips/WFH which diesels apparently do not like. Sounds like you are happy with the driving traits bar the kick down (its a Lexus thing I think) so go for it. Unfortunately it will be difficult to get something as good as iDrive IMHO. That said if it can stream over bluetooth there isn't much more that you really need.

You might not want to deal with mods/DPF deletes/software etc... but if you do, the 30d is probably the way to go. The 330d has a reputation and the prices reflect this. Modding an NA car is a VERY expensive exercise vs. power gained in comparison to any turbo car. If you're keeping it stock/keeping for a long time, then I would again go with the Lexus and enjoy the sound of that V6 singing in its power band while you still can. NA motors are dying at an ever faster pace, but there is just something about that relative simplicity, linear delivery and responsiveness/willingness to rev.
 

MoeM2

Well-known member
Having owned a F30 330d for 6 years prior to switching to my M2, I must say that this is the car I miss. I had a 2014 Msport 330d white fully spec’d and I traded it in 6 months ago and got R250k. Car was on 108 000km and I owned since 14000km.

My change was more of wanting to have an M car more than anything. The 330d is brilliant. Runs 700km on a tank with spirited driving around town, got 1000km on long trips, has a muscles deep sound under acceleration and nothing much keeps up with you. It is honestly the perfect all rounder that you don’t mind putting on a good few km.

Not sure about an ST against 330d. My 330d would be along side a 2010 focus RS the whole way. Off the line , it would struggle to stay straight especially if you used the launch control.

My thoughts would be the 330d all day.


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Budleigh

Member
If you've done the BMW thing, then try a Lexus. The build quality, service experience, and the general drivability of an IS350 is fantastic, and with no disrespect to the diesel lobby, I think the Lexus is more of a driver's car, while also being able to do the luxury thing.

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Rotinaj

Active member
One of them is a overpriced cheap car sold at a premium price with substandard parts, the other is a Lexus.

And the 100k difference in price just makes it more compelling. Toyota will allow you to extend the warranty on that IS350 i believe up to 8 years unlimited KM given it's age and lowish millage, If piece of mind you want there is that. I think it is around 13K or so and it's a Lexus backed warranty not some aftermarket one.

A few of my mates made the switch from F30's to IS's. It's just a more compelling car if your idea of car ownership involves minimal workshop visits, and not changing a car every 3 years.
 

PsyCLown

Well-known member
Having owned a F30 330d for 6 years prior to switching to my M2, I must say that this is the car I miss. I had a 2014 Msport 330d white fully spec’d and I traded it in 6 months ago and got R250k. Car was on 108 000km and I owned since 14000km.

Man, I wish deals like these were offered to forum members before just going ahead with the trade in.

Although I do understand the trade in being easier and quicker.

@brentbmw not sure the feedback from this thread has made your choice any easier. lol
 

MoeM2

Well-known member
Strangely, I only became a member after buying my M2. I will definitely make the forum aware the next time I change cars .

For me the 330d was a steal especially considering the condition and mileage. I saw the car for sale a week later at Mik Mak motors in Pta north for R329k, assure I was pissed. A fair offer would have been in the region of R280k.


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brentbmw

Member
Thanks for all the replies guys!

@PsyCLown Haha yes didn't make it easier at all! Except for my financial position which I forgot to add in my original post which is leaning me towards the Lexus at the moment

I am about 90% decided to go ahead with the Lexus and give the whole Japanese thing a try. I have R250k cash so I will just need to chime 10k in from somewhere ( will raid wife's clothing/pampering allowance or something 🤠 ) and then the car will be paid off completely.

As @MR_Y said the insurance will be cheaper too, and I got quoted R915pm odd for full comprehensive for the Lexus from Outsurance. Before the E90 was written off we were paying just over 1000 for a car 8 years older....

The other thing that was a concern with the 330D, was that I would have had to finance 90-100k or more to get the spec/mileage I wanted and no one likes payments versus paid up vehicle.

So here was my thinking:

The Lexus for the price I can get it has already had most of it's depreciation, and for the price my buddy is giving it to me for I think it's a bargain compared to what I see on Autotrader. So, pull trigger on the Lexus and then carry on saving cash on the side for my next car. Drive the Lexus for a year/18 months and see how it goes.

If my ass is still itching for a 330D then by that time I could get a newer one, perhaps an LCI with lowish KM on and I should still be able to get close to what I spent on the Lexus and then top the balance up cash.

I have an probably always will be a BMW man but I really feel I should give this a shot for a year or 2 and see how it pans out. Doubt I will lose much money at all.

With the financial conundrum added would you guys who said 330D still say so?
 

Salt

///Member
Firstly you always need to make the right financial decision, but in saying that you also need to look at maintenance costs. From my experience the F30 diesel models are excellent at reliability and if you are ever going to take the car on long drives then you will save plenty on fuel. Depending on your profile you can do better on insurance I think as well. And the F30 is def not a 'cheap car with substandard parts' as someone mentioned. Its not the best of the best at everything but I think its a great car - maybe I am biased hahaha. Do what is right for you bud - that is what counts - but do take the advice in to account - its what you asked for after all. I did when I was buying and don't regret taking the advice I got from here. One thing to always take in to account is doing your home work on the history of a car - a car can be renowned for reliability but if it was abused then reliability will suffer. In this case you know where the Lexus comes from which helps. The car I pointed you to is still under motor plan for a bit - that helps too. No right or wrong answer here perhaps - pro's and con's and make the right financial decision.
 

PsyCLown

Well-known member
Thanks for all the replies guys!

@PsyCLown Haha yes didn't make it easier at all! Except for my financial position which I forgot to add in my original post which is leaning me towards the Lexus at the moment

I am about 90% decided to go ahead with the Lexus and give the whole Japanese thing a try. I have R250k cash so I will just need to chime 10k in from somewhere ( will raid wife's clothing/pampering allowance or something 🤠 ) and then the car will be paid off completely.

As @MR_Y said the insurance will be cheaper too, and I got quoted R915pm odd for full comprehensive for the Lexus from Outsurance. Before the E90 was written off we were paying just over 1000 for a car 8 years older....

The other thing that was a concern with the 330D, was that I would have had to finance 90-100k or more to get the spec/mileage I wanted and no one likes payments versus paid up vehicle.

So here was my thinking:

The Lexus for the price I can get it has already had most of it's depreciation, and for the price my buddy is giving it to me for I think it's a bargain compared to what I see on Autotrader. So, pull trigger on the Lexus and then carry on saving cash on the side for my next car. Drive the Lexus for a year/18 months and see how it goes.

If my ass is still itching for a 330D then by that time I could get a newer one, perhaps an LCI with lowish KM on and I should still be able to get close to what I spent on the Lexus and then top the balance up cash.

I have an probably always will be a BMW man but I really feel I should give this a shot for a year or 2 and see how it pans out. Doubt I will lose much money at all.

With the financial conundrum added would you guys who said 330D still say so?
I think the Lexus is the logical choice, from a financial point of view. Unlikely you will lose much, if any money, by buying the Lexus and later on selling it and no need to finance anything.

Not sure about their engines and reliability, but if you are able to extend the motorplan for the Lexus then score and offers peace of mind should something go wrong.

If you still dislike the Lexus after owning it for a while, then as you said you can look for something else. Perhaps a 330d.
Makes sense to me, in your situation I think it is the more logical choice. Fuel on the Lexus will obviously be higher, but if that does not bug you then go for it.
 

Schalk94

Active member
Some performance stats as tested at Gerotek between the two cars just for reference(below). The 330d would definitely be my choice as the n57 has proven to be bulletproof and it is a brilliant all-rounder.




Model:Lexus IS 350 F Sport
Gearbox:8 Speed Automatic Transmission
Engine:3.5 litre Naturally Aspirated
Power:228 kW @ 6 400 rpm
Torque:375 Nm @ 4 800 rpm
Licensing Mass:1 640 kg
Power to Weight:139.024 kW / Tonne
Power to Capacity:65.972 kW / Litre
0-100 km/h:7.26 Seconds
¼ Mile:15.16 Seconds @ 154.75 km/h
1 Km:27.18 Seconds @ 198.36 km/h
60-100 km/h:4.63 Seconds (in 3rd) / 6.21 Seconds (in 4th)
80-120 km/h:6.19 Seconds (in 4th) / 7.82 Seconds (in 5th)
100-200 km/h:20.29 Seconds (from 3rd)
True Top Speed:Limited to 235.59 km/h @ 6 500 rpm in 6th (Clock 242 km/h)
Fuel Consumption:9.7 litres / 100 km Claimed (10.1 litres Test Average)
Fuel Tank Size:66 litres
Fuel Range:680 km Claimed (653 km On Test)
CO2 Emissions:225 g/km
Warranty:4 Years / 100 000 Km
Service / Maint Plan:4 Years / 100 000 km Service Plan
Priced From:R533 900
Test Date:22 August 2013

Model:BMW F30 330d Sport Line Sedan
Gearbox:8 Speed Automatic Transmission
Engine:3.0 litre Turbodiesel
Power:190 kW @ 4 000 rpm
Torque:560 Nm @ 2 000 - 2750 rpm
Licensing Mass:1 540 kg
Power to Weight:123.377 kW / Tonne
Power to Capacity:63.481 kW / Litre
0-100 km/h:6.15 Seconds
¼ Mile:14.44 Seconds @ 157.73 km/h
1 Km:26.24 Seconds @ 203.04 km/h
60-100 km/h:3.30 Seconds (in 3rd) / 3.56 Seconds (in 4th)
80-120 km/h:4.09 Seconds (in 4th) / 4.63 Seconds (in 5th)
100-200 km/h:20.86 Seconds (from 3rd)
True Top Speed:Limited to 250.27 km/h @ 3 600 rpm in 8th (Clock 257 km/h)
Fuel Consumption:4.9 litres / 100 km Claimed (8.7 litres Test Average)
Fuel Tank Size:57 litres
Fuel Range:1163 km Claimed (655 km On Test)
CO2 Emissions:129 g/km
Warranty:2 Years / Unlimited Km
Service / Maint Plan:5 Years / 100 000 km Maintenance Plan
Priced From:R536 423
Test Date:26 August 2013
 
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