Best Diesel?

Andy1GP

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Davelo that is a lovely report, however to be fair you should use a sasol garage where the pump is as accurate as the engen one in your test.

If I understand correctly your results include the bogus fill up from sasol which led to you reporting it?

I believe that Sasol has the best diesel from all the suppliers, but I don't have facts to back it up, merely heresay from other wise men.
 

davelo

Member
Andy1GP, yes, the data does include the one fill-up where all indications are that I paid for 20 litres more than was pumped. (Apart from my consumption data clearly showing this, it was quite a bit more than the tank holds when empty, which it wasn't - the fuel light wasn't even lit.) It does, however, not have much of an effect on the results, because of the amount of data.

In fact, the way I presented the data actually makes the Sasol numbers appear better than they are, since I have only averaged the individual fuel consumption figures at each fill-up. If you calculate the overall consumption using total litres and total mileage driven, you will see that the Sasol data looks quite a bit worse (8.63 instead of 8.36 l/100km). The calculated consumption of the "bogus" fill-up was around 11.8 l/100km, which is WAY more than I have ever seen before, or since, and clearly incorrect. The OBC value at the time was also no higher than normal.

The fact that my protestations to this effect are largely being ignored leads me largely to ignore Sasol garages in future! Why should I go out of my way to try another branch of a franchise where one example has, based on my data, either: 1. Overcharged me on a number of occasions, or 2. Is supplying fuel which is less efficient and/or more variable than the other option I have tried? Also, there isn't another Sasol garage conveniently located on my daily commute.

I had also believed the Sasol diesel to be better (also based on heresay), which is why I was using it. When I believe I've been short-changed I vote with my feet, however, and am only reporting what I've seen since.
 

Andy1GP

///Member
I appreciate when someone makes an effort to produce test results and data so thank you for sharing :ty:
What I do on all my cars to negate fuel inaccuracies is simply see how many km's I get on a tank.

Trying as far as possible to keep the driving style and route identical.

Sure it's not that accurate and I fill up as near as possible to the reserve light and only to the 1st click/stop.
 

phantom

Member
Question was asked what is considered old and what new.
The cut off point on a model is when it changes from just the standard diesel pump that can be mechanically adjusted to what we call common rail and injectors are used and electronically adjusted by an ECU. :rollsmile:
If i had to venture into Africa i would find myself an older generation diesel vehicle as those models were not so finnicky and could even get away with old chip oil.
Modern day vehicles are becoming more and more sophisticated and the fuel you have to use critical.
 

netercol

New member
phantom said:
Question was asked what is considered old and what new.
The cut off point on a model is when it changes from just the standard diesel pump that can be mechanically adjusted to what we call common rail and injectors are used and electronically adjusted by an ECU. :rollsmile:
If i had to venture into Africa i would find myself an older generation diesel vehicle as those models were not so finnicky and could even get away with old chip oil.
Modern day vehicles are becoming more and more sophisticated and the fuel you have to use critical.

its not just that though.. i myself would put the cutoff between old and new between the change from solinoid actuated injectors to piezzo actuated injectors (in other words around 2004 for most part)

the reason is simple, around that year emission targets got even more stringent, injection pressure went up to around 2000 bar rail pressure, emission controls like the dpf started appearing on our cars, necessitating lower sulfur diesel..
 

RC335i

Member
Bah! I hate fuel discussions in general but there is a sense to the madness in this one...

Strangely enough, when I received my 330d a week ago, it was filled using 50ppm by the dealer.
I filled up for the first time myself on Tuesday, using 10 ppm Sasol (which I am now kinda regretting based on this thread...).
Funny thing is, my driving style is the same (really trying hard to not drive the 330d like I drove my 335i) but she is already feeling heavier on fuel...
With the 50ppm it stabilised between 8l/100km and 8.5l/100km quickly traveling to work and back, but with the 10ppm it seems to be going between 8.5l/100km and 9l/100km. (Large range I know, but traffic varies quite a lot on my trips :-/)
Ok, I know its very little data to work with as of yet, but because of this thread I'll be watching the usage on this tank very closely and will fill with 50ppm Engine next and monitor that tank very closely and see what happens.

BMW says 50ppm or lower is suggested for me, but I'm wondering about this 10ppm thing...
 

Garreth

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I use only 10ppm on my 320d. Done over 40k km and can't say I am in a hurry to go to 50ppm. Car did smoke on start up when I done the change over. More than the normal puff. Seems as if cats are cleaner as well I can hear the turbo spool up and down on start up and switching off. Over other 320ds running on other fuel with almost same milage...


Just my 2c
 

Drama

Member
Very informative topic.

With the wife's Evoque, since getting it I've always filled up with Engen 50ppm (an informed friend advised that lower ppm = better). Recently been filling up with Sasol 10ppm and while I don't have any concrete data, I have felt like the consumption has gone up. Think I'll be going back to Engen 50ppm. Common sense tells me that 50ppm is better than 500ppm with that added sulphur.
 

Tkburn

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e91 320d touring

engen: 8.6l/100 town driving only heavy traffic
caltex: 7.8l/100 town driving only heavy traffic
shell: 9.4l/100 town driving only heavy traffic

all of the above 50ppm

So Caltex is the best in the economy stakes for me.
The same driving style is used all the time.
 
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