Assistance/Advice needed to check value of car for insurance.

WyKiD

Active member
Hi All, as per the topic. In the process of insuring my E34 540i M, but due to the limited number of these cars they do not have the car on their systems and apparently BMW only advises values for cars up to 10 years old??? They only show the regular E34 540i a/t.

Not sure where I could get this info, should I try BMW(does anyone know a contact person) ???

I am in the Gauteng area: my car is a 1995 540i M Blue in colour.

Any advice or assistance will be appreciated....:thumb:
 

zaleonardz

Well-known member
Not correct dude...


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This is from a few months back...
 

WyKiD

Active member
ok, i see the older cars listed but nothing for the E34 540i M(Individual). Is the value the same as the regular a/t 540i?
 

Truvalu

New member
I am a Shortterm Insurance broker myself and will find out for you, you are welcome to pm me so I can broker a quote for you. I need all the detail though.. but you are welcome to let me know.
 

WyKiD

Active member
Truvalu said:
I am a Shortterm Insurance broker myself and will find out for you, you are welcome to pm me so I can broker a quote for you. I need all the detail though.. but you are welcome to let me know.

pm sent :thumb:
 

e46 guy

New member
sorry for the hi-jack but its to do with insurance

why does your car drop in value annually but your premium goes up annually? :cursin:
maybe Truvalu can explain this

i have a buddy with a 540i(M) individual ill ask how and where he has his car insured.
 

Truvalu

New member
e46 guy said:
sorry for the hi-jack but its to do with insurance

why does your car drop in value annually but your premium goes up annually? :cursin:
maybe Truvalu can explain this

i have a buddy with a 540i(M) individual ill ask how and where he has his car insured.

The values and premiums paid has always been a subject of serious contention.
There are many viewpoints by differrent insurance companies.
Some companies will state that they insure at "Retail" or "Market" value.

Now, there is a benchmark supposed to be used, set by the same values in the books all car dealers use to give you a price when you want to trade your car and what they are supposed to use when they calculate what they should price a car that they want to sell...

Practice shows that certain insurers do not underwrite the vehicle when you insure it first, but only at claim stage... that leaves you in a very vunerable situation. Some insurers do underwrite the items and therefore their risk at inception of your policy.

The reasons mostly used by insurers for increasing premiums is that the cost to fix your vehicle increases over time with the increase on parts and panels. (there are some companies that will fit 2nd hand parts to your vehicle depending on age) There is a trend by some companies to even give you a choice of replacing your car with a very similar one should yours be a total write-off or lost. Only about 5 - 10% of the vehicles insured (therefore premiums received) become a Total Loss, the rest is cost to fixing damage to vehicles. (hence cost increases)

There are some official documents on the way specific values are calculated in the case of a write-off (Total Loss). It also has to do with even tyre thread, service history and general condition of the vehicle.

If you want I can post more detail...

Mostly where my commercial/business shortterm clients are concerned, the values of the vehicles are automatically adjusted downwards at the time of revision. This will normally mean a deduction in premium on the vehicle section of the portfolio.

You will find that it is very important to revise the whole portfolio as the value of certain items are increased with "inflation" anually.

Personal service and attention to yours and your businesses shortterm insurance has become just as important as it has always been on life insurance.

It is just a pity that most will just pay without knowing exactly what they pay for and when the sh.. hits the fan, everyone else to blame...

Our claims department have fights with insurance companies every now and then, because clients could receive less than what they thought there vehicles are worth. (We are independant so we do fight for our clients)
 

Truvalu

New member
(As received from Santam, take note this is regarding Total Loss)

August 2010
NUMBER BC 05/2010
SUBJECT: Motor Insurance: Sum Insured and Claims settlement (Total Loss)
ORIGIN: BROKER DISTRIBUTION

Dear Broker

Santam’s previous communication regarding the valuation and indemnity of motor vehicles in the case of a total loss refers. As you are aware, Santam continually strives to make it easier for brokers to do business with us and therefore we have carefully analysed the feedback received from brokers in this regard.
With immediate effect, the following will apply:
1. Calculation of Sum Insured Santam will provide brokers with the retail value as stated in the Transunion Auto Dealers’ Guide when insuring or renewing a vehicle policy as a guide to determine the vehicle’s market value.
We do allow a deviation of up to 20% between the Transunion Auto Dealers’ Guide retail value
and the sum insured, taking into account, among others, extras, kilometres and the condition of the vehicle. Requests for significant deviation from these guidelines are welcome, but supporting information will be required. The policyholder, on advice of the broker, will ultimately determine the limit of indemnity of the vehicle. It is recommended that the extras be itemised which will avoid any issues at the time of claims fulfilment.
For commercial policies (i.e. passenger and light delivery vehicles with a GVM of less than 3500kg), Santam annually adjusts the sum insured of the vehicle at renewal to remain in line with the updated retail values in the Transunion Auto Dealers’ Guide. The same principle will be applied in respect of Personal Lines in the near future. Until such time, brokers should continue to revise vehicle particulars and sums insured at renewal.
2. Claims settlement – total loss
To ensure alignment between the calculations of the sum insured and claim settlement, the retail value (at the date of the loss) as per the Transunion Auto Dealers’ Guide will be used as the starting point. This value will then be adjusted, as per the guidelines of the Transunion Auto Dealers’ Guide, taking into account, among others, kilometres, the condition of the vehicle and insured extras.
We trust that this approach will assist brokers to continue providing professional advice to clients and clarifies any uncertainties in this regard.
We value your feedback and welcome any queries or comments. Alternatively you are welcome to discuss this with your Relationship Manager.

Kind regards
Edward Gibbens
Executive Head: Broker Distribution

WyKiD said:
ok, i see the older cars listed but nothing for the E34 540i M(Individual). Is the value the same as the regular a/t 540i?

According to two of the bigger insurance companies, the manual is noted as an "addition" to that model. (New price was R 315 000)
Because there are only a few of those vehicles around, the value is not and will not be found in the Mead & McGrouther guide. (Mead & McGrouther is a 44 year-old research and publishing company that provides the South African motor, finance and insurance industries with used motor vehicle trade and retail values, as well as residual values for vehicle finance structuring.)

According to the insurance companies a retail value will be attained from BMW at claim stage in the event of Total Loss.

Your premium will now be calculated on "cost to repair this vehicle".

I hope that give you some idea of what to expect.
 
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