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S1NGH 001
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Impressive stuff :thumbs:
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Read the WELCOME ALL BMWFANATICS post.
Another Xcede K04 treatment
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andrewbuch
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dvst8 said:
Reliable, Constant power beats once off peak power anyday
1Darkknight35
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aaaaaa so this is where he gets his "pump fuel" from :thumbs:
:roflol:
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Josh-ZN
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dvst8 said:
agreed 100% but then i wouldn't be running so much boost if i wanted my car to last
Josh-ZN said:260wkw on pump fuel for that car
he should stick this sign on the bonnet :fencelook:
I don't follow your logic. Is 260kw too much for pump fuel? My M3 makes 410kw on the wheels on pump fuel. I know some cars making 1000hp on pump fuel. What is the limit for pump fuel? Is it 259.9kw?
Sleeper135i said:
The car runs on pump fuel with no octane booster. So running out of octane booster will make no difference.
Running on 93 will lose a few hp, but nothing will "happen".
Josh-ZN said:
I know how it's possible because I did the map. Vish drove to work and back for 2 years with the same map. Went to Tarlton and ran 12.2 and broke the record and drove home on the same map. I'm struggling to understand what the confusion is.
Josh-ZN said:
If you ran "that tune" you would do that to be safe? BAsed on what? Do you know what the absolute ignition advance is in that car, or the amount of timing pull on each cylinder? How can you say "that tune" if you don't know what's in the tune? Are you assuming the tune is running close to the knock threshold? I don't know how you can have to much information based on hearing how much power the car made on the dyno.
Sleeper135i said:
Throwing a conrod through a block is more like to be a bottom end failure due to lubrication or some other factor. Lack of octane won't cause bottom end failure.
Josh-ZN said:
How much of boost are you referring to? this car runs 1.15 bar at redline around 1.4 bar in the midrange.
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Josh-ZN
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Sherwin@xcede said:
your knowledge in this department far exceeds mine (and then some), so i won't argue with you. good luck with the car.
Sleeper135i
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Hey Sherwin!
Exactly the guy who can answer!
Throwing a conrod through a block is more like to be a bottom end failure due to lubrication or some other factor. Lack of octane won't cause bottom end failure.
Yes I would agree, except a hole was blown, spectacularly, through the top of the piston causing the con rod to snap off and hit the bottom of the motor.
Could have been an oil issue that made it worse.
Not arguing, that's just what happened. They told him because he put old 93 in and a very aggressive and primitive tune. Effective compression was too high. They wanted R120k for a new motor! He was running a map designed for race fuel...
At what point to your reach the knock threshold?
Surely there is a point where power output per liter on pump 95 is reached?
And that must be similar on any modern engine, a result of the properties of the fuel?
Just questions I have from seeing that OPC run 412hp on what I was told "Pump fuel only"
Just to find out later he had OB and meth.
Keep up the good work!
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Exactly the guy who can answer!
Sleeper135i said:
Throwing a conrod through a block is more like to be a bottom end failure due to lubrication or some other factor. Lack of octane won't cause bottom end failure.
Yes I would agree, except a hole was blown, spectacularly, through the top of the piston causing the con rod to snap off and hit the bottom of the motor.
Could have been an oil issue that made it worse.
Not arguing, that's just what happened. They told him because he put old 93 in and a very aggressive and primitive tune. Effective compression was too high. They wanted R120k for a new motor! He was running a map designed for race fuel...
At what point to your reach the knock threshold?
Surely there is a point where power output per liter on pump 95 is reached?
And that must be similar on any modern engine, a result of the properties of the fuel?
Just questions I have from seeing that OPC run 412hp on what I was told "Pump fuel only"
Just to find out later he had OB and meth.
Keep up the good work!
:thumbs:
superchip335
Member
Very impressive power , but, on pump fuel that will be impossible without breaking. I'm no tuning genius so please don't take me the wrong here, but that is impossible power on our kak fuel, with NF I will believe.
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Josh-ZN
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superchip335 said:
that was my understanding. what would be nice is if sherwin would take the time to help us understand a bit better. just when i thought i understood the basics of software tuning for turbo cars, it doesnt seem that i do :flyfun:
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Mike1
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Well done Xcede, and seriously, I don't see anyone questioning the figures of other tuners on here so why the need to discredit Xcede due to your own opinion and possible misconceptions?
Xcede is a major tuning company that has consistently provided superb results across all Manufacturers and models, I see no reason for those, who frankly will forget about this thread a minute after reading it to attack the credibility of a local business within their own advertising space.
If you really really feel that the results are too much for you to believe then call the man and talk to him and settle your concerns, otherwise, close the thread and forget about it 20 seconds later - I cannot stand the keyboard ninjas that enter these threads and go out of their way to cause problems.
Keep up the good work guys.
Mike
Xcede is a major tuning company that has consistently provided superb results across all Manufacturers and models, I see no reason for those, who frankly will forget about this thread a minute after reading it to attack the credibility of a local business within their own advertising space.
If you really really feel that the results are too much for you to believe then call the man and talk to him and settle your concerns, otherwise, close the thread and forget about it 20 seconds later - I cannot stand the keyboard ninjas that enter these threads and go out of their way to cause problems.
Keep up the good work guys.
Mike
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Josh-ZN
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:facepalm:
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Mike1
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And that?
You are the one questioning the tuning, sherwin has asked you precisely how it is that with no knowledge of the tune itself it is that you can question the power and reliability of an Xcede Tuned vehicle. This sounds like a reasonable question to me.
You then bowed out of the conversation as frankly you don't have a clue to the answers to his questions and the moment someone agrees with you then you re-appear as if your posts are of any worth.
If anyone requires a solid facepalm its you, you are questioning the credibility of the tune, with no knowledge of the tune or the vehicle and now sherwin must explain to you. This I cannot understand, if not to know then why question the figures in the first place?
:nonono:
You are the one questioning the tuning, sherwin has asked you precisely how it is that with no knowledge of the tune itself it is that you can question the power and reliability of an Xcede Tuned vehicle. This sounds like a reasonable question to me.
You then bowed out of the conversation as frankly you don't have a clue to the answers to his questions and the moment someone agrees with you then you re-appear as if your posts are of any worth.
If anyone requires a solid facepalm its you, you are questioning the credibility of the tune, with no knowledge of the tune or the vehicle and now sherwin must explain to you. This I cannot understand, if not to know then why question the figures in the first place?
:nonono:
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Josh-ZN
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MiniMike19@automobilconcierge said:
mike, if you have a problem with my comments, pm me. i aint getting into a slinging match with you on the open forum. if xcede have a problem with my comments they can delete them seeing as this is their advertising space.
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Mike1
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I don't have a problem with anyone's comments, its the intention behind there comments that I feel is uncalled for.
Mike
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Josh-ZN
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MiniMike19@automobilconcierge said:
ok i will explain it to you and xcede as it may help others on the forum. it may also stop you from jumping to conclusions in future.
1) i questioned the figures as it was contrary to what i understood
2) i admitted to having limited knowledge on the situation
3) i am possibly looking at purchasing a new car and a k04 is definitely on the cards, and so it tuning it.
4) if i am to consider xcede i want to understand how they are able to achieve those figures especially as it doesnt add up for me. i dont just want to take their word for it. if they dont want to tell me, thats fine, i was just asking.
hope that settles things as this thread could become very informative if people didnt jump to conclusions. it could also be a good base for xcede to promote their product as well as set our minds at ease over areas that concern us.
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Mike1
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Josh, then it's a matter of approach as I see it.
In this thread which had similar results you were more than positive: http://www.bmwfanatics.co.za/showthread.php?tid=41221
Yet in this thread your initial post with your sticker picture provokes a completely different response. You then continue to make broad, generalized and knowledge less statements about a tune you know nothing about.
You stirred the pot and you did it repeatedly, what other conclusion is there to come to? If you or others like superchip335 have genuine questions then why the drama before just asking?
To agree with a member who claims the results are impossible as above, then you question the cars reliability before settling that Xcede don't want to answer your questions when no valid question has been asked, just a lot of discrediting and dubious smilies - what other conclusion is there to jump to?
I am far from perfect online, but I wish we would watch our approach to these things more.
Keen to hear what Sherwin says to your questions as someone who knows as much as you do. :thumbs:
Mike
In this thread which had similar results you were more than positive: http://www.bmwfanatics.co.za/showthread.php?tid=41221
Yet in this thread your initial post with your sticker picture provokes a completely different response. You then continue to make broad, generalized and knowledge less statements about a tune you know nothing about.
You stirred the pot and you did it repeatedly, what other conclusion is there to come to? If you or others like superchip335 have genuine questions then why the drama before just asking?
To agree with a member who claims the results are impossible as above, then you question the cars reliability before settling that Xcede don't want to answer your questions when no valid question has been asked, just a lot of discrediting and dubious smilies - what other conclusion is there to jump to?
I am far from perfect online, but I wish we would watch our approach to these things more.
Keen to hear what Sherwin says to your questions as someone who knows as much as you do. :thumbs:
Mike
