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ASH
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Ok it is a decent looking car.............but the point is, they have called this a 4 series to differentiate it from the 3ser F30, in a similar fashion to how Audi have positioned the A5 separately to the A4. Then there was all the talk :blab: about how this car was going to have its own identity
to seperate it from the 3series.
Even with the A4 vs A5 you can see these cars have differences, but with the F30 vs F32, it just looks like a wider F30 with a different tail light at the rear. Look, the A4 vs A5 do have very similar front ends, but there are subtle variations in the front to create some sort of difference.
With the F32, the kidney grilles are just wider and the rest is straight out F30.
Another issue that is being overlooked, is the dimensions, this new 4, is almost as big as the previous generation 6Ser E63, actually has a longer wheelbase than the E63. Thanks to Hugo_ZA for the info below:-
4 Series:
Wheelbase - 2,810 mm (110.6 in)
Length - 4,641 mm (182.7 in)
Width - 1,826 mm (71.9 in)
Height - 1,362 mm (53.6 in)
E63/E64 6 Series:
Wheelbase - 2,778 mm (109.4 in)
Length - 4,831 mm (190.2 in)
Width - 1,855 mm (73.0 in)
Height - 1,373 mm (54.1 in)
Imho, at the size of the E92, I feel it is at borderline limit, between sporty coupe and cruiser. The E46 coupe gave you a very awesome feel when you attacked a set of tight corners, even though the E92 is good and grips well in fast sweeps at higher speeds, I just feel that the larger dimensions hinder the vehicle's agility in tighter corners.
So anything larger than an E92 is just going to make it less chuckable in the corners and make it feel like a whale. To me, the 4ser, is way too big, and more of a GT cruiser than something to attack a set of corners.
A4 vs A5 comparision
to seperate it from the 3series.
Even with the A4 vs A5 you can see these cars have differences, but with the F30 vs F32, it just looks like a wider F30 with a different tail light at the rear. Look, the A4 vs A5 do have very similar front ends, but there are subtle variations in the front to create some sort of difference.
With the F32, the kidney grilles are just wider and the rest is straight out F30.
Another issue that is being overlooked, is the dimensions, this new 4, is almost as big as the previous generation 6Ser E63, actually has a longer wheelbase than the E63. Thanks to Hugo_ZA for the info below:-
4 Series:
Wheelbase - 2,810 mm (110.6 in)
Length - 4,641 mm (182.7 in)
Width - 1,826 mm (71.9 in)
Height - 1,362 mm (53.6 in)
E63/E64 6 Series:
Wheelbase - 2,778 mm (109.4 in)
Length - 4,831 mm (190.2 in)
Width - 1,855 mm (73.0 in)
Height - 1,373 mm (54.1 in)
Imho, at the size of the E92, I feel it is at borderline limit, between sporty coupe and cruiser. The E46 coupe gave you a very awesome feel when you attacked a set of tight corners, even though the E92 is good and grips well in fast sweeps at higher speeds, I just feel that the larger dimensions hinder the vehicle's agility in tighter corners.
So anything larger than an E92 is just going to make it less chuckable in the corners and make it feel like a whale. To me, the 4ser, is way too big, and more of a GT cruiser than something to attack a set of corners.
A4 vs A5 comparision
CocoPops
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Ash.. I think what you are forgetting is how the 4 series will be differentiated..
This was always going to be based on the 3 series..
However product expansion is Key.. we are going to see 4 series gran coupe etc etc.. thats where differentiation is key.. as the 3 series badge cannot support so many models..
the 4 series in this form may not be such a big move away in terms of design, but it needs to maintain its relationship to the 3 series as this is continuity, it will be more differenitated from a style perspective in the next generation, of that I have no doubt, but for now its not a completely new design.
It is much smaller when you comapre it to 6, the width may be similar, but length difference is huge!
Every model is going to grow in size, thats just normal - look at any car..
So gotta keep in mind from a strategy POV what is the best move.
This was always going to be based on the 3 series..
However product expansion is Key.. we are going to see 4 series gran coupe etc etc.. thats where differentiation is key.. as the 3 series badge cannot support so many models..
the 4 series in this form may not be such a big move away in terms of design, but it needs to maintain its relationship to the 3 series as this is continuity, it will be more differenitated from a style perspective in the next generation, of that I have no doubt, but for now its not a completely new design.
It is much smaller when you comapre it to 6, the width may be similar, but length difference is huge!
Every model is going to grow in size, thats just normal - look at any car..
So gotta keep in mind from a strategy POV what is the best move.
ASH
New member
Yes, I do agree it was always going to be based on the 3series, but the design language used to create the 3series coupe (E92) had changed recently with the E90 and E92. The two cars where styled deliberately different, it was not an exercise in taking a panel and making it wider or lower, it was an exercise in creating a totally unique car. With the F30 vs F32, it seems like a cheapass boardroom decision was made to not spend any further capital to develope a different car.
All this is, is a rebadging exercise and in my opinion it sucks.........:yuck:
and to sucker the buyer to fork out even more $$$$ as the 4 is positioned above the 3series range & most definitely will cost alot more.
I'm not sure about other guys rationale here, but in my mind if a coupe is going to be more expensive, it must for sure as hell look different to the sedan counterpart.
One thing is apparent is the reactions to the styling of the 4series is divided, some like, some dont...........if memory serves me correct when the E92 was released the reactions to the look was definitely more positive.
All this is, is a rebadging exercise and in my opinion it sucks.........:yuck:
and to sucker the buyer to fork out even more $$$$ as the 4 is positioned above the 3series range & most definitely will cost alot more.
I'm not sure about other guys rationale here, but in my mind if a coupe is going to be more expensive, it must for sure as hell look different to the sedan counterpart.
One thing is apparent is the reactions to the styling of the 4series is divided, some like, some dont...........if memory serves me correct when the E92 was released the reactions to the look was definitely more positive.
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SP33DYV
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Still prefer the e46 Coupé.
:sorry:
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LordPhoenix
New member
SP33DYV said:
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