400m or 1km

[Kinnear]

What do you guys think if you claim "My car is Faster then yours" should this be proved by doing 400m or 1km sprint Lets see what you think........:bs:[/font]

 

[Legacy]

I think it should be 20.8 km :mmm:

i.e. one lap around the "ring"

 

[Kinnear]

LOL sorry i forgot to say we talking about drag race.....:excited:

 

[George Smooth]

I think the 1km is a more realistic value as it takes a large portion of traction out of play and shows the cars ability to accelerate at higher speeds. The quarter mile time is more traction/driver related although the exit speeds partially shows the cars power capability. Good example of this is my car vs the Rob Green M3 V8 Supercharged. I beat it at the 400m but it will probably come past me like I broke down. So if one was too look at quartermile times you would think my car is faster although it is no where near as fast as it exits the 1km about 15km/h behind the supercharged V8.
The 0-200km/h is also a good data which has more or less become a standard in German magazines

 

[ajm]

Agreed. QuarterMile stats often give a skewed impression of how two cars are likely to stack up against one another in terms of straight-line performance. IMO 0-200 is a more reliable measure. I'd add that if the objective is to match up performance and, in the process, minimize the influence of driver skill and traction, a rolling start should be employed ... That said, I confess that I know very little about drag racing

 

[saturnz]

A car should atleast be allowed to reach its limiter in top gear.

 

[STREETRACER]

200m sprints FTW!!!!

 

[Coisman]

imp:
I say the best way is for both to leave from JHB and see who reaches capetown first... :mmm:

 

[XMAX]

i know plenty of citi golfs that can outsprint a lamborghini 0-200 but when you show it a corner what happens..... golf in the bush.

i believe that a 1km run would be a better show of power, but power alone is not enough. you should try to incorporate a few corners and see who can stick through those.

also after the corners the cars ability to accelerate out of corners will be tested. straight line speed isnt everything.

i believe that it would be a better indication of which car is the better overall.

 

[STREETRACER]

You can put a shit driver in a fast car and he can get slapped by a 1400 champ and a good driver!
To launch a car is easy as pie! So its the ultimate way to test the car and not just the driver! Twisties is a total different ball game! All you need is a balanced car and a decent driver and it will smack most "super" cars!

 

[Kinnear]

But then again we ain't stick and if we bump we pay so i don't know anybody driving on the road as if they doing laps around the ring but i like the comment from George Smooth.
Coz i had this conversation with a opel OPC Driver that a 400m tells the whole story and it ain't true!!:dunno:

 

[Sankekur]

+1 for corners

There are track days every now and then where you can properly compare to cars, corners, dynamic capability and balance is what BMW is about (and any other good car) not just straight line speed.If straight line speed is all that matters then you might as well be racing with trains, or american cars.

 

[saturnz]

the thread made specific reference to a drag race over 400m or 1km

corners and tracks are irrelevant to this thread.

 

[XMAX]

we are talking about street cars here, right ?

if you want to do 1/4 miles or 1kms only, then you might as well buy or build a funny car or top fuel dragster and run 7 second quarter miles at 300km/h.

but if you want to compare a street car. do the whole bang lot like is done in the Ultimate Street Car Challenge. 1/4 mile, 1km, Gymkhana where all aspects of a car are tested.

dont get me wrong, a spirited drive in a straight line can be quite exhilirating. but having a car that can corner at high speed is even more fun. (thats why the best car manufacturers use the Nurburgring as the test for their cars cos it incorporates everythin. straight lines, twisties, up and downhills). too bad we dont have open track days like they do at the ring.

 

[Sankekur]

This still an open discussion on an open forum, so the option given by the OP might not be the only one available. The OP stated the line "My car is faster than yours" yet drag racing is not the only way to determine this, even though that is the options that where given.

we are talking about street cars here, right ?

if you want to do 1/4 miles or 1kms only, then you might as well buy or build a funny car or top fuel dragster and run 7 second quarter miles at 300km/h.

but if you want to compare a street car. do the whole bang lot like is done in the Ultimate Street Car Challenge. 1/4 mile, 1km, Gymkhana where all aspects of a car are tested.

dont get me wrong, a spirited drive in a straight line can be quite exhilirating. but having a car that can corner at high speed is even more fun. (thats why the best car manufacturers use the Nurburgring as the test for their cars cos it incorporates everythin. straight lines, twisties, up and downhills). too bad we dont have open track days like they do at the ring.

Exactly, even though a funny car will destroy a F1 race car in a straight line, I still consider the F1 car the faster car because it can fast more of the time.

 

[XMAX]

we were asked " What do you think", and we merely said what we thought.... that a 400m or 1km isnt the ultimate test of "My car is faster than your car".

@ Sankekur - I agree with you bout the F1 car vs the funny car.

Hey did you guys hear that Top Gear is coming to Kyalami in March 2011.

 

[Kinnear]

Sankekur= too me 400m vs 1km=Drag
Ring or one town to the next=Amazing Race my opinion
But my Q was if a Guy beats you at 400m but Loses to the same car on a 1km sprint then the 1km Guy can claim the "Fastest CAR NOT THE 400M GUY WITH A BETA TIME BUT LESS EXIT SPEED.

 

[saturnz]

well the reason for the lower exit speed may be because the car is better at applying the power to the road

 

[George Smooth]

well the reason for the lower exit speed may be because the car is better at applying the power to the road

That's a old school tale. The higher the exit the more power application that occurred due to a higher rate of acceleration hence the higher exit speed.

 

[Kinnear]

So when too car's hits the 1km sprint point the same time say 20's but car a=200kmh and car b= 250kmh
witch one is the fastest is it a due to power to the road or b more power to the road but less Dtc
So i ask agian who is the fastest car for the drag race