330wkw and 645nm Chip Logic Monster 335i

[NSH_335i]

That is INSANE, well done George :clap:

 

[Scouse]

Nice one George, serious power there mate :thumbsup:
Keep up the good work, and that goes for Chiplogic too

 

[sc00by_gp]

Ive got a Super M Nomercy, I never thought I was out of place?

Well done George, when Im ready, and you are, I will be willing to give you the testing time you need against my Super M

One point that worries me in your graph, is the Turbo is not within its efficiency range, it is already beyond, so "Racetrim" as you call it hopefully will not have higher boost? because guarenteed your car will peak as early as it does, but your power will become more "semicircle" on a dyno graph, you can already see that you are out of efficiency range as the peak is early, and it does just that, peaks and falls off in you racing rev range.

Anyhow, nice peak power bud

Well done George, car is strong as hell!
Plz just race a super M3 and Neval's big turbo OPC to put them in their place and show them what these cars are capable off.
But most off all ENJOY!!!

 

[nomercy]

I don't think he is even close to reaching the peak off the efficiency range, his not even running max boost all the way to redline. If I'm not mistaken they tapper down to 15psi at 6000rpm, so way more to come from this motor.

 

[George Smooth]

Ive got a Super M Nomercy, I never thought I was out of place?

Well done George, when Im ready, and you are, I will be willing to give you the testing time you need against my Super M

One point that worries me in your graph, is the Turbo is not within its efficiency range, it is already beyond, so "Racetrim" as you call it hopefully will not have higher boost? because guarenteed your car will peak as early as it does, but your power will become more "semicircle" on a dyno graph, you can already see that you are out of efficiency range as the peak is early, and it does just that, peaks and falls off in you racing rev range.

Anyhow, nice peak power bud

Well done George, car is strong as hell!
Plz just race a super M3 and Neval's big turbo OPC to put them in their place and show them what these cars are capable off.
But most off all ENJOY!!!

Your analysis on what can be seen just on the dyno is correct. The graph is actually a artificial power band that has been tuned by boost target. On this specific map the boost has been let out therefore the fall off exists. On my other race map where I hold the boost to redline the power curve is flat right through and other cars with the same turbos have also shown this.
The efficiency of the turbo is measured by power gains per psi increment. If the car gains Akw from 17psi to 18psi and Bkw from 18-19psi Ckw from 19psi-20psi and A,B, C are all constant then you are still in your efficiency range. I can say that the climb from 19psi to 20psi being C is a greater gain than the rest. The turbos will start getting out of their efficiency at around 24psi according to the turbo maps and hit surge limits at around 28psi. On the dyno yesterday we ran the car in fourth with a heavy load and it overshot its boost target to 21psi in the midrange and we saw 714nm of torque on the wheels.
I wouldn't mind running against your car out of curiosity. There are so many track events though that I prefer to keep comparisons in a controlled environment. ODI has many 1km track days and I will be arranging one myself again in March so its a good distance to get a general idea. I run my runflats on the 1km so traction advantages are taken out of the equation. I do think I will have a hard time though as your car has far more superior gearing. At the moment the best quarter mile is 11.7sec@19something done by Thamen so I will have to beat that first and then try get to Rob Greens 265 1km speed unless you manage to beat that.

 

[sc00by_gp]

Hey George.
Thanks for the input.
Yes from my previous experiences with Subaru's I know exacly how to pin point efficiency range.

If its simply boost that is being dropped slowy off until redline for safety then I grasp the concept
I take it that you have been told its more dangerous holding 20 PSI to redline? or did you drop the boost off for another reason?
Yep Im aware of Thamens times, was 11.7sec @ 206 AFAIK
My car is going in for a few changes next week, thereafter I sould have no slipping

Anyhow, no probs, its just fun, im more than willing to do some events and we can meet there

Ive got a Super M Nomercy, I never thought I was out of place?

Well done George, when Im ready, and you are, I will be willing to give you the testing time you need against my Super M

One point that worries me in your graph, is the Turbo is not within its efficiency range, it is already beyond, so "Racetrim" as you call it hopefully will not have higher boost? because guarenteed your car will peak as early as it does, but your power will become more "semicircle" on a dyno graph, you can already see that you are out of efficiency range as the peak is early, and it does just that, peaks and falls off in you racing rev range.

Anyhow, nice peak power bud

Well done George, car is strong as hell!
Plz just race a super M3 and Neval's big turbo OPC to put them in their place and show them what these cars are capable off.
But most off all ENJOY!!!

Your analysis on what can be seen just on the dyno is correct. The graph is actually a artificial power band that has been tuned by boost target. On this specific map the boost has been let out therefore the fall off exists. On my other race map where I hold the boost to redline the power curve is flat right through and other cars with the same turbos have also shown this.
The efficiency of the turbo is measured by power gains per psi increment. If the car gains Akw from 17psi to 18psi and Bkw from 18-19psi Ckw from 19psi-20psi and A,B, C are all constant then you are still in your efficiency range. I can say that the climb from 19psi to 20psi being C is a greater gain than the rest. The turbos will start getting out of their efficiency at around 24psi according to the turbo maps and hit surge limits at around 28psi. On the dyno yesterday we ran the car in fourth with a heavy load and it overshot its boost target to 21psi in the midrange and we saw 714nm of torque on the wheels.
I wouldn't mind running against your car out of curiosity. There are so many track events though that I prefer to keep comparisons in a controlled environment. ODI has many 1km track days and I will be arranging one myself again in March so its a good distance to get a general idea. I run my runflats on the 1km so traction advantages are taken out of the equation. I do think I will have a hard time though as your car has far more superior gearing. At the moment the best quarter mile is 11.7sec@19something done by Thamen so I will have to beat that first and then try get to Rob Greens 265 1km speed unless you manage to beat that.

 

[George Smooth]

Hey George.
Thanks for the input.
Yes from my previous experiences with Subaru's I know exacly how to pin point efficiency range.

If its simply boost that is being dropped slowy off until redline for safety then I grasp the concept
I take it that you have been told its more dangerous holding 20 PSI to redline? or did you drop the boost off for another reason?
Yep Im aware of Thamens times, was 11.7sec @ 206 AFAIK
My car is going in for a few changes next week, thereafter I sould have no slipping

Anyhow, no probs, its just fun, im more than willing to do some events and we can meet there

Ive got a Super M Nomercy, I never thought I was out of place?

Well done George, when Im ready, and you are, I will be willing to give you the testing time you need against my Super M

One point that worries me in your graph, is the Turbo is not within its efficiency range, it is already beyond, so "Racetrim" as you call it hopefully will not have higher boost? because guarenteed your car will peak as early as it does, but your power will become more "semicircle" on a dyno graph, you can already see that you are out of efficiency range as the peak is early, and it does just that, peaks and falls off in you racing rev range.

Anyhow, nice peak power bud

On this map the boost was just let out. Saying that, I do not intend running such high boost to the limiter but will tune in a flat line. The racing rev range of the car is different to the M's. The record cars in the states that run low 11's have run these times changing at 6000rpm. So if you shift within the power band you are ok. I would like to keep the power constant to 6500rpm thereafter bleed out the boost. The auto does not like to self shift at such high power levels and some prep has to be done before that point.
As for Thamens car I do not really want to get involved in politics as the 206 only appears on his Vbox as the traps where not working that day at Tarlton so I would prefer to use times that are written down. I have seen how he battles with the launch though and in the same breath do not believe the 11.7 is a true reflection of the cars performance. On the 1km things change though for the supercharged cars as heat soak starts becoming a issue due to the use of a charge cooler and not a air to air intercooler.

 

[nomercy]

Thanks for that guys, know I actually understand it way beter!!!
Can't wait to see you okes battle it out...

 

[sc00by_gp]

Ok I see.
Good luck let us know how it goes.
I personally dont care about anyones times.
I will post my own as I do them, as mentioned previously "its all fun"
I was simply stating what I heard his trap speed was.
I am also batteling with the launch control of the car,
and I have run a few Vbox times on my street tyres on my 19" wheels
and the times I ran (Obviously not official) were done without a launch

Hey George.
Thanks for the input.
Yes from my previous experiences with Subaru's I know exacly how to pin point efficiency range.

If its simply boost that is being dropped slowy off until redline for safety then I grasp the concept
I take it that you have been told its more dangerous holding 20 PSI to redline? or did you drop the boost off for another reason?
Yep Im aware of Thamens times, was 11.7sec @ 206 AFAIK
My car is going in for a few changes next week, thereafter I sould have no slipping

Anyhow, no probs, its just fun, im more than willing to do some events and we can meet there

Ive got a Super M Nomercy, I never thought I was out of place?

Well done George, when Im ready, and you are, I will be willing to give you the testing time you need against my Super M

One point that worries me in your graph, is the Turbo is not within its efficiency range, it is already beyond, so "Racetrim" as you call it hopefully will not have higher boost? because guarenteed your car will peak as early as it does, but your power will become more "semicircle" on a dyno graph, you can already see that you are out of efficiency range as the peak is early, and it does just that, peaks and falls off in you racing rev range.

Anyhow, nice peak power bud

On this map the boost was just let out. Saying that, I do not intend running such high boost to the limiter but will tune in a flat line. The racing rev range of the car is different to the M's. The record cars in the states that run low 11's have run these times changing at 6000rpm. So if you shift within the power band you are ok. I would like to keep the power constant to 6500rpm thereafter bleed out the boost. The auto does not like to self shift at such high power levels and some prep has to be done before that point.
As for Thamens car I do not really want to get involved in politics as the 206 only appears on his Vbox as the traps where not working that day at Tarlton so I would prefer to use times that are written down. I have seen how he battles with the launch though and in the same breath do not believe the 11.7 is a true reflection of the cars performance. On the 1km things change though for the supercharged cars as heat soak starts becoming a issue due to the use of a charge cooler and not a air to air intercooler.

 

[Ziyaad]

DAMN..:dropjaw:

i have nothing else to say..BUT DAMN!:drool::drool::drool:

 

[George Smooth]

Ok I see.
Good luck let us know how it goes.
I personally dont care about anyones times.
I will post my own as I do them, as mentioned previously "its all fun"
I was simply stating what I heard his trap speed was.
I am also batteling with the launch control of the car,
and I have run a few Vbox times on my street tyres on my 19" wheels
and the times I ran (Obviously not official) were done without a launch

Hey George.
Thanks for the input.
Yes from my previous experiences with Subaru's I know exacly how to pin point efficiency range.

If its simply boost that is being dropped slowy off until redline for safety then I grasp the concept
I take it that you have been told its more dangerous holding 20 PSI to redline? or did you drop the boost off for another reason?
Yep Im aware of Thamens times, was 11.7sec @ 206 AFAIK
My car is going in for a few changes next week, thereafter I sould have no slipping

Anyhow, no probs, its just fun, im more than willing to do some events and we can meet there

Ive got a Super M Nomercy, I never thought I was out of place?

Well done George, when Im ready, and you are, I will be willing to give you the testing time you need against my Super M

One point that worries me in your graph, is the Turbo is not within its efficiency range, it is already beyond, so "Racetrim" as you call it hopefully will not have higher boost? because guarenteed your car will peak as early as it does, but your power will become more "semicircle" on a dyno graph, you can already see that you are out of efficiency range as the peak is early, and it does just that, peaks and falls off in you racing rev range.

Anyhow, nice peak power bud

On this map the boost was just let out. Saying that, I do not intend running such high boost to the limiter but will tune in a flat line. The racing rev range of the car is different to the M's. The record cars in the states that run low 11's have run these times changing at 6000rpm. So if you shift within the power band you are ok. I would like to keep the power constant to 6500rpm thereafter bleed out the boost. The auto does not like to self shift at such high power levels and some prep has to be done before that point.
As for Thamens car I do not really want to get involved in politics as the 206 only appears on his Vbox as the traps where not working that day at Tarlton so I would prefer to use times that are written down. I have seen how he battles with the launch though and in the same breath do not believe the 11.7 is a true reflection of the cars performance. On the 1km things change though for the supercharged cars as heat soak starts becoming a issue due to the use of a charge cooler and not a air to air intercooler.

I do care about everyones times hehe but only the non BMW's :clap:. My target was to beat slightly modded GTR's which I achieved. Now its all for personal pleasure. When you come to the track one day you will see that there is no competitive nature amongst the top street runners and the picture that is created on forums does not exist. We all good buddies out to have a good time. I have always said that no Tuner pays the insurance on my car therefore its all for me.

 

[Kinnear]

Thamens times, was 11.7sec @ 206 AFAIK what car is this a Bmw or Subaru...... Can someone please tell me?

 

[Wild BMW]

Thamens times, was 11.7sec @ 206 AFAIK what car is this a Bmw or Subaru...... Can someone please tell me?

BMW

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E90 M3 supercharged to be specific

 

[sc00by_gp]

Sweet, will hook up soon.
Look forward to it
I would also like to go GTR hunting sometime
I know they are really fast
What u raced? Stage 1 GTR or Stage 2?

Ok I see.
Good luck let us know how it goes.
I personally dont care about anyones times.
I will post my own as I do them, as mentioned previously "its all fun"
I was simply stating what I heard his trap speed was.
I am also batteling with the launch control of the car,
and I have run a few Vbox times on my street tyres on my 19" wheels
and the times I ran (Obviously not official) were done without a launch

Hey George.
Thanks for the input.
Yes from my previous experiences with Subaru's I know exacly how to pin point efficiency range.

If its simply boost that is being dropped slowy off until redline for safety then I grasp the concept
I take it that you have been told its more dangerous holding 20 PSI to redline? or did you drop the boost off for another reason?
Yep Im aware of Thamens times, was 11.7sec @ 206 AFAIK
My car is going in for a few changes next week, thereafter I sould have no slipping

Anyhow, no probs, its just fun, im more than willing to do some events and we can meet there

Ive got a Super M Nomercy, I never thought I was out of place?

Well done George, when Im ready, and you are, I will be willing to give you the testing time you need against my Super M

One point that worries me in your graph, is the Turbo is not within its efficiency range, it is already beyond, so "Racetrim" as you call it hopefully will not have higher boost? because guarenteed your car will peak as early as it does, but your power will become more "semicircle" on a dyno graph, you can already see that you are out of efficiency range as the peak is early, and it does just that, peaks and falls off in you racing rev range.

Anyhow, nice peak power bud

On this map the boost was just let out. Saying that, I do not intend running such high boost to the limiter but will tune in a flat line. The racing rev range of the car is different to the M's. The record cars in the states that run low 11's have run these times changing at 6000rpm. So if you shift within the power band you are ok. I would like to keep the power constant to 6500rpm thereafter bleed out the boost. The auto does not like to self shift at such high power levels and some prep has to be done before that point.
As for Thamens car I do not really want to get involved in politics as the 206 only appears on his Vbox as the traps where not working that day at Tarlton so I would prefer to use times that are written down. I have seen how he battles with the launch though and in the same breath do not believe the 11.7 is a true reflection of the cars performance. On the 1km things change though for the supercharged cars as heat soak starts becoming a issue due to the use of a charge cooler and not a air to air intercooler.

I do care about everyones times hehe but only the non BMW's :clap:. My target was to beat slightly modded GTR's which I achieved. Now its all for personal pleasure. When you come to the track one day you will see that there is no competitive nature amongst the top street runners and the picture that is created on forums does not exist. We all good buddies out to have a good time. I have always said that no Tuner pays the insurance on my car therefore its all for me.

 

[George Smooth]

Sweet, will hook up soon.
Look forward to it
I would also like to go GTR hunting sometime
I know they are really fast
What u raced? Stage 1 GTR or Stage 2?

The one I tried had chip and exhaust. It was murder she wrote on rolling runs.
Judging by Car Magazines supercar test the Nismo exited the 1km at 241 and I have seen stock ones doing 234 exit and I was sitting at 250 so I am not sure up to which ones I will be able to take on but I got power to weight advantage on my side as the R35 is 220kg heavier. On a short stint if the owner uses the launch control its very hard to keep up the first three gears but then it drops at the top quite a bit.

 

[sc00by_gp]

Will keep that in mind
234 is pretty dull over 1km for a GTR, thought they would of done more

Sweet, will hook up soon.
Look forward to it
I would also like to go GTR hunting sometime
I know they are really fast
What u raced? Stage 1 GTR or Stage 2?

The one I tried had chip and exhaust. It was murder she wrote on rolling runs.
Judging by Car Magazines supercar test the Nismo exited the 1km at 241 and I have seen stock ones doing 234 exit and I was sitting at 250 so I am not sure up to which ones I will be able to take on but I got power to weight advantage on my side as the R35 is 220kg heavier. On a short stint if the owner uses the launch control its very hard to keep up the first three gears but then it drops at the top quite a bit.

 

[Kinnear]

Tnks Wild
Well for a stock R35 thats seriously fast!!!!

 

[nomercy]

George have you raced Neval's OPC, he said you raced sometime and he pulled car lenghts out of you! I know his car is fast but really?

 

[anile8-zn]

Sovs opc is no joke , it's very fast

 

[Wild BMW]

Sovs opc is no joke , it's very fast

Yes that OPC does 250km/h on the 1km