2012 M5 vs 2012 GTR

[v1p3r]

Except the M5 you cannot mod at all and what you buy is what you get, yet with the GTR you can throw an extra 150kw on with bolt on mods and have piece of mind.

I'm sure PP Performance & G-Power will have something to say about that...

PP-Performance’s F10 M5 Stage 1 tune which yields 456kW/752Nm

G-Power Stage 1 tune - 471kW/780Nm

and both are just an exhaust and software tune...

Plus, the GT-R's transmission issues are well documented, so I wouldn't mention peace of mind and the Nissan in the same sentence, especially not with a couple hundred more newtons putting stress on that 'box

 

[tcal69]

Highly doubted, fully spec maybe close to R1.5m? :fencelook:

True, but that's be honest, a gtr is not a 'supercar'. It can def go toe to toe against supercars, but no one will ever consider them a supercar:=):

good topic of discussion. what qualifies a car as a supercar? modified they run with the UGR lamborghini

Yeah that's a tricky question, in my honest point of view, it will probably be something really exotic like Enzo and Bugatti:=):

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I'm sure PP Performance & G-Power will have something to say about that...

PP-Performance’s F10 M5 Stage 1 tune which yields 456kW/752Nm

G-Power Stage 1 tune - 471kW/780Nm

and both are just an exhaust and software tune...

Plus, the GT-R's transmission issues are well documented, so I wouldn't mention peace of mind and the Nissan in the same sentence, especially not with a couple hundred more newtons putting stress on that 'box

I heard something about the revised gearbox on the 2012 models? It can do like unlimited launch:fencelook:

Unlike the DCT...

 

[CocoPops]

Enzo and Bugatti are Hypercars..

I think a lot of aspects come into play - availability, exclusivity, performance, heritage, purity etc

 

[///MFanatic]

Except the M5 you cannot mod at all and what you buy is what you get, yet with the GTR you can throw an extra 150kw on with bolt on mods and have piece of mind.

I'm sure PP Performance & G-Power will have something to say about that...

PP-Performance’s F10 M5 Stage 1 tune which yields 456kW/752Nm

G-Power Stage 1 tune - 471kW/780Nm

and both are just an exhaust and software tune...

Plus, the GT-R's transmission issues are well documented, so I wouldn't mention peace of mind and the Nissan in the same sentence, especially not with a couple hundred more newtons putting stress on that 'box

I am sure the M5 is capable of big power, but what about motorplan?? I am definetly not buying a 1.2 bar BMW with motorplan to lose it right away and then try to sell a low milage car with no motorplan, you will throw a good 600k in the bin. The GTR you can mod and when its time to sell the mods will be welcomed. The 2012 car resolved many gearbox issues. Most previous issues where due to owners hitting launch control at every robot and stop street, no gearbox will withstand that abuse with AWD

 

[tcal69]

Enzo and Bugatti are Hypercars..

I think a lot of aspects come into play - availability, exclusivity, performance, heritage, purity etc

Haha ok cool, didn't know the word hypercars...

But agree with you 100%:thumbs:

 

[v1p3r]

I am sure the M5 is capable of big power, but what about motorplan?? I am definetly not buying a 1.2 bar BMW with motorplan to lose it right away and then try to sell a low milage car with no motorplan, you will throw a good 600k in the bin. The GTR you can mod and when its time to sell the mods will be welcomed. The 2012 car resolved many gearbox issues. Most previous issues where due to owners hitting launch control at every robot and stop street, no gearbox will withstand that abuse with AWD

The same person who doesn't mind a no motorplan GT-R will not mind a no motorplan M5. If you can afford the maintenance on your own, any million-plus car will be ok to buy like that. It's not a Jap-tune vs Euro car mentality issue, it's a money issue. If you lose the motorplan for one, you surely lose it for the other by modding, and one being a "tuner" car from the get go doesn't make it more acceptable to throw away a maintenance plan.

I for one won't buy a modded GT-R, with an expired plan because I can't afford a broken turbo or a screwy box without the plan.

Thing is, some people wouldn't touch an M3 or M5, like me, I'd leave it stock and not even change a wheel or exhaust. I firmly believe that an M car should be preserved in it's original state, even if I enjoy the hundreds of YouTube clips of ESS supercharged E92 M3's, boosted E46 M3's etc (and no offence to the guys on the forum who choose to do this, it's just not for me). So the same person who is gonna drop money on a modded or no plan GT-R will drop it on a modded BMW or Golf or whatever car it is.

P.S. some guys blew their trannies (sies) on first launch

P.P.S. not looking to argue or "beat" you at the point here, I think it's a lekker debate.

 

[Mr H]

Two very different cars.. Where the hell did they find a standard GTR?! :biglol: I am very impressed with the M5. Also expected it to do worse. Standing start will be very different though, and the M5 would've stayed behind. A very fair dice in the video imo! :=):

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Yea I guess, was just thinking 4.4tt vs 3.8tt:=):

..Which obviously puts the GTR in a much higher state of tune. For BMW to set the M5 free amongst the more wealthy windgatte ( :joy: )amongst us with a comprehensive motorplan proves that the engine is in a relatively mild state of tune. Once the tuners get going, it will reach a serious top end. Standing start will always be limited by RWD only..

 

[CocoPops]

Remember in America a Stock M5 on street tyres recorded 11.7 1/4 mile.. with an exit speed showing the car is capable of quicker.. Not shabby for a heavy RWD saloon!

 

[///MFanatic]

Point taken. :thumbs:

Depends on the state of tune I guess, 99% of guys modding the GTR's are fitting reputable proven parts like HKS, AMS etc. Those parts are far more superior and bulletproof than any OEM part so I for one won't mind buying a low km GTR with everthing on already.

P.S As far as I know the GTR's only have a service plan, and most owners don't service at Nissan anyway so its wasted.

Unlike the M5 the GTR is destined to be modded to see its true potential, as was every other GTR, which is my point, M5 you get what you see, GTR its the tip of the ice berg.

 

[wikk3d88]

Ill just leave this here


http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2012/06/switzer-new-1000hp-nissan-gt-r-ultimate.html

 

[NavZ]

Personally, I see the GTR as a supercar :fencelook:
That being said, it's like the GTi of supercars :roflol:

 

[CocoPops]

Point taken. :thumbs:

Depends on the state of tune I guess, 99% of guys modding the GTR's are fitting reputable proven parts like HKS, AMS etc. Those parts are far more superior and bulletproof than any OEM part so I for one won't mind buying a low km GTR with everthing on already.

P.S As far as I know the GTR's only have a service plan, and most owners don't service at Nissan anyway so its wasted.

Unlike the M5 the GTR is destined to be modded to see its true potential, as was every other GTR, which is my point, M5 you get what you see, GTR its the tip of the ice berg.

AFAIK you have to service at Nissan for warranty to be intact.

 

[tcal69]

Personally, I see the GTR as a supercar :fencelook:
That being said, it's like the GTi of supercars :roflol:

:roflol::roflol::roflol:

 

[///MFanatic]

Well heres a different result from MagazineMotorsport

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[Psymon69]

holy crap it makes the M5 look like its standing still from a standing startraise:

 

[Shabz]

:thumbs:

 

[superchip335]

holy crap it makes the M5 look like its standing still from a standing startraise:

IMHO - GTR is a supercar in all aspects, its proven itself over and over and over... bettering the best of the best at any given track, condition, etc...... maybe its should be in the GTi of the hyper-super car :rollsmile:

Switzer gtr35 vs bugatti....enuf said.

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[CocoPops]

Nah its not.. it hasnt bettered the best of the best..

and it is hardly a value buy when you look at the costs all in..

 

[Josh-ZN]

IMHO - GTR is a supercar in all aspects, its proven itself over and over and over... bettering the best of the best at any given track, condition, etc...... maybe its should be in the GTi of the hyper-super car :rollsmile:

Switzer gtr35 vs bugatti....enuf said.

the guy in the bugatti was a nervous driver :roflol:

you should see what a koenigsegg does to a P800 GTR35 switzer and then what the bugatti does to the koenigsegg. a driver with big kahoonas makes a big difference.

 

[superchip335]

Nah its not.. it hasnt bettered the best of the best..

and it is hardly a value buy when you look at the costs all in..

Mmmmm, u right, not as good as all but very few in same price bracket have motor plans like Porsche, etc.... So for value invest half the amount on the same performance vehicle. :fencelook:

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Correction ...not best of the best

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