2010 320d LCI Engine update

tman

Well-known member
Mrcloc said:
Right, the car is at Menlyn Auto and they will have a look. I have a list of things for them to check, so I can post the results of it all when I've fetched the car.

1. When the engine is switched off there is a sound like a ratchet. Could be normal, but just checking to make sure. I don't remember a sounds like this on my 320i or previous 320d.
2. I asked them about the gearbox - it stays at about 1800rpm while accelerating easily. Also it revs before it changes gear.
3. The suspension feels worn - the car dives when applying brakes, and this felt very different from my previous 3's.
4. The PDC beeps randomly when there is nothing behind the car.
5. When listening to the tuner, if I open or close the windows, there is interference on the radio.
6. I asked if there was an update to bring the engine to the 2010 spec.

There was something else I forgot to ask them about, and I can't even remember what it is now. I will post the results for the sake of common knowledge.

Question: Would BMW's service department bother checking for suspected faults like "suspension feels loose" or "interference with radio"?

I cant seem to think that they would bother with these type of vague complaints/issues?
 

Mrcloc

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tman said:
Mrcloc said:
Right, the car is at Menlyn Auto and they will have a look. I have a list of things for them to check, so I can post the results of it all when I've fetched the car.

1. When the engine is switched off there is a sound like a ratchet. Could be normal, but just checking to make sure. I don't remember a sounds like this on my 320i or previous 320d.
2. I asked them about the gearbox - it stays at about 1800rpm while accelerating easily. Also it revs before it changes gear.
3. The suspension feels worn - the car dives when applying brakes, and this felt very different from my previous 3's.
4. The PDC beeps randomly when there is nothing behind the car.
5. When listening to the tuner, if I open or close the windows, there is interference on the radio.
6. I asked if there was an update to bring the engine to the 2010 spec.

There was something else I forgot to ask them about, and I can't even remember what it is now. I will post the results for the sake of common knowledge.

Question: Would BMW's service department bother checking for suspected faults like "suspension feels loose" or "interference with radio"?

I cant seem to think that they would bother with these type of vague complaints/issues?

I've lost sleep over this. I gave a very good description - the suspension feels very different to my previous 2 E90's and it feels like it dives a lot when braking (I believe it's due to the brand new rear disks if anything). The interference is very apparent, although it seems the guy looking at it didn't bother. For the noise when switching off and the gearbox, I didn't ask if they were faulty, I asked if the noise and behaviour were normal (because it's different to my previous 2 E90s).

I asked if the software update was available and if so how does motorplan cover it.

For the questions, the technician just has to listen to the noise, test drive the car and run a diagnostic on the suspension. And they did have a look at everything luckily, so now I have the peace of mind that all's well mechanically.
 

AshG108

///Member
Also another thing to note bud, like for instance i also feel the car dives on braking but that is because i am used to my old suspension with the 18's and being ultra stable...this car has high profiled 16s and high suspension...thats what i rule mine out on
 

Mrcloc

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AshG108 said:
Also another thing to note bud, like for instance i also feel the car dives on braking but that is because i am used to my old suspension with the 18's and being ultra stable...this car has high profiled 16s and high suspension...thats what i rule mine out on

Thanks. My previous 2 had the same size wheels, but this one was sold originally with 17" wheels (although I would be amazed if BMW actually fitted different suspension for different sized wheels).

Interestingly, though, I did have a look at the tyres to make sure they were RFTs... The front tyres are Pirelli P7s, so maybe they just act differently to the PremiumContact 2's I've always had on my cars in the past. Also, when I got the car and noticed the diving, the tyres were at 1.8. I got used to the braking before I noticed the low pressure, so it could have been compounded by softer tyres, low pressure and brand new rear disks.

The problem with how the car brakes is that even though I'm used to it, it's really on and off. I think it will get better as the brakes settle in and the new disks settle in.
 

tyronzn

New member
Mrcloc said:
BuFFy_ZA said:
Did BMW do anything?

Collected the car same day, BMW didn't do anything to it. I'm still waiting on a quote to update to 2010 spec.

they correct on the 6-9 hours for software upgrade,ISIS takes a helluva long time even just reading the car and the rest is the upgrade.When i last enquired at Ballito Autohaus they quoted me R650 as it only entails 1hr worth of labour,the rest of the time the car is sitting on the floor.After few articles ive read about software upgrade it also updates head unit which is not something i wanted but unfortuantely the dealers dont have a choice,ISIS updates the whole lot.

I stand to be corrected but after some reports ive read approximately 2 in every 20 cars head units stop working after an upgrade,with my sort of luck i would be one of those 2.
 

Mrcloc

New member
tyronzn said:
Mrcloc said:
BuFFy_ZA said:
Did BMW do anything?

Collected the car same day, BMW didn't do anything to it. I'm still waiting on a quote to update to 2010 spec.

they correct on the 6-9 hours for software upgrade,ISIS takes a helluva long time even just reading the car and the rest is the upgrade.When i last enquired at Ballito Autohaus they quoted me R650 as it only entails 1hr worth of labour,the rest of the time the car is sitting on the floor.After few articles ive read about software upgrade it also updates head unit which is not something i wanted but unfortuantely the dealers dont have a choice,ISIS updates the whole lot.

I stand to be corrected but after some reports ive read approximately 2 in every 20 cars head units stop working after an upgrade,with my sort of luck i would be one of those 2.

I'm also one of those bad luck people. I'm known to be Murphy amongst my friends. By head unit, you mean the radio, bt?
 

Mrcloc

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tman said:
Mrcloc said:
BuFFy_ZA said:
Did BMW do anything?

Collected the car same day, BMW didn't do anything to it.

And regarding your other concerns? Where they sorted out?

Mrcloc said:
Great, so it's all good news.

All the things I listed are normal or no problem (although I know the PDC and radio interference is there - but these aren't issues).

About the software update, from what I was told, it takes 6 to 9 hours (so they have to keep the car overnight) and motorplan will only do it if it is necessary. If you want to do it and it's not necessary, then it will cost something. I was told R900 - R1000, but the consultant said he could be wrong. I'll take it that's the amount, and if I find out exactly how much it does cost, I'll post that. For R900, I think it's worth it!

I have noticed the PDC beeping lots randomly lately. This morning it beeped for long - sounded like there was something about a meter away the whole time (judging by the frequency). So when I take the car for update, I'll show them the PDC issue.
 

tyronzn

New member
Mrcloc said:
tyronzn said:
Mrcloc said:
BuFFy_ZA said:
Did BMW do anything?

Collected the car same day, BMW didn't do anything to it. I'm still waiting on a quote to update to 2010 spec.

they correct on the 6-9 hours for software upgrade,ISIS takes a helluva long time even just reading the car and the rest is the upgrade.When i last enquired at Ballito Autohaus they quoted me R650 as it only entails 1hr worth of labour,the rest of the time the car is sitting on the floor.After few articles ive read about software upgrade it also updates head unit which is not something i wanted but unfortuantely the dealers dont have a choice,ISIS updates the whole lot.

I stand to be corrected but after some reports ive read approximately 2 in every 20 cars head units stop working after an upgrade,with my sort of luck i would be one of those 2.

I'm also one of those bad luck people. I'm known to be Murphy amongst my friends. By head unit, you mean the radio, bt?

correct,head unit would be the radio
 

p1ay3r

Member
tyronzn said:
Mrcloc said:
BuFFy_ZA said:
Did BMW do anything?

Collected the car same day, BMW didn't do anything to it. I'm still waiting on a quote to update to 2010 spec.

they correct on the 6-9 hours for software upgrade,ISIS takes a helluva long time even just reading the car and the rest is the upgrade.When i last enquired at Ballito Autohaus they quoted me R650 as it only entails 1hr worth of labour,the rest of the time the car is sitting on the floor.After few articles ive read about software upgrade it also updates head unit which is not something i wanted but unfortuantely the dealers dont have a choice,ISIS updates the whole lot.

I stand to be corrected but after some reports ive read approximately 2 in every 20 cars head units stop working after an upgrade,with my sort of luck i would be one of those 2.

so is there a software update avaliable? :fencelook:
 

Mrcloc

New member
I've been waiting for a quote on the update. The guy at Menlyn has now forgotten for the second time. I'll give him another call later, and if I get no response again, I'll call someone else.

In addition to waiting for the quote, I remember having an email conversation with someone at a dealership once about updating my 05 model. He said there wasn't an update for the 120kW version (115kW?), but there was one for the 130kW version. So it seems the update is available for my engine and it is valid.

I feel I must speak to someone who knows a lot because I see that the 135kW version is the N47D20O1 and the 130kW version is the N47D20O0. The difference seems to only be the compression ratio - 16:1 vs 16.5:1. This would explain the improvement in fuel economy. I'm not an expert, but since the bore and stroke are the same, to change the compression ratio, the crankshaft should be different. So updating the software might give a bit more power and torque, but the fuel consumption can't change by much. Does this make sense?

I've also heard that longer pistons (or connecting rods) can change the compression ratio. How?
 

Mrcloc

New member
Mrcloc said:
I've also heard that longer pistons (or connecting rods) can change the compression ratio. How?

To answer my own question - bore and stroke determine engine capacity, so longer pistons will still have the same bore and stroke, but more compression. :) Skimming the head and installing a thinner gasket will also do the trick. Changing the crankshaft will increase the stroke, so that's not how compression is changed. I feel enlightened!
 
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