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2008 320i Auto - @#$% CAR!!
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this is getting personal... but lets move away from that...
power to weight ratio is very important for strait line performance:
e90 320i = 79.58 W/ton (1445kg)
1,6 citi = 88.24 W/ton (850kg)
now this is not the only factor that give you your stait line performance:
e90 320i
Rwd gives way more traction but you will not need all of it with a 320i so you will lose performance with drive chain loss... it will also be harder to launch without it bogging down... also i think the 320i will have a much longer gear ratio...
1,6 citi
Fwd (aka rubbish) very little traction off the line, but way less drive line loss and way easier to launch... also probably has a very short gear ratio...
now dont get me wrong a citi is a rubbish car and i sure as hell dont want one, but mostly because of its weight it can make an awesome drag car... im sure those that do drag racing can vouch for that...
power to weight ratio is very important for strait line performance:
e90 320i = 79.58 W/ton (1445kg)
1,6 citi = 88.24 W/ton (850kg)
now this is not the only factor that give you your stait line performance:
e90 320i
Rwd gives way more traction but you will not need all of it with a 320i so you will lose performance with drive chain loss... it will also be harder to launch without it bogging down... also i think the 320i will have a much longer gear ratio...
1,6 citi
Fwd (aka rubbish) very little traction off the line, but way less drive line loss and way easier to launch... also probably has a very short gear ratio...
now dont get me wrong a citi is a rubbish car and i sure as hell dont want one, but mostly because of its weight it can make an awesome drag car... im sure those that do drag racing can vouch for that...
andrewbuch
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Olorin said:
Only on the VW forum & only if its got a Massive Cone filter :mmm:
MikeR said:
no bmw should disregard the safety of its clients and should still be producing the e30
most of the cars from the 80s can be crazy fast just because they dont weigh much an e30 with a modern engine like from a 330i would destroy a citi even if it has a cone
M
Mike1
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Wow... Shocked much.
Entertaining read though... Let me add some perspective on power to weight ratio's.
Audi A6 2.7T (Biturbo) vs MINI Clubman S
MINI Clubman S - 128kw and 260NM Torque, Front Wheel Drive. Weighs in at 1200kg.
Audi A6 2.7T Quattro - 190kw and twice the torque powered by all 4 wheels. Weighs in at 1800kg.
So let me guess... In your mind the Audi is faster?
Well... You are wrong. Some perspective.
MINI Clubman S - 0 to 100 in 7 seconds
Audi 2.7T A6 - 0 to 100 in 6.8 seconds.
In the real world the Audi does not stand a chance. The skill required to launch a heavy quattro with twin turbo's is immense (just like launching a Citi Golf is easier than launching a 320I). In the MINI I just put my foot flat. I know this as I have wiped the floor with a Clubman S against this particular car and even got pulled over by the Audi as he was horrified that a 1.6T MINI could nail him like that.
So Olorin. Hop off the high horse... At the end of the day we all love BMW / MINI and just because you have the slowest model currently in the range of 3 series does not mean that you should take offence. This is a public forum and I can assure you that 90% of this thread is banter and nothing serious. At the end of the day we still discuss and love your car just like the BMW guys love my MINI.
And yes... In the 1.6 Cooper (No Turbo) a lot of cars (Including Citi Golfs at times) wipe the floor with me. Its all relative.
Now - can everyone just calm the f*ck down?
Mike
Entertaining read though... Let me add some perspective on power to weight ratio's.
Audi A6 2.7T (Biturbo) vs MINI Clubman S
MINI Clubman S - 128kw and 260NM Torque, Front Wheel Drive. Weighs in at 1200kg.
Audi A6 2.7T Quattro - 190kw and twice the torque powered by all 4 wheels. Weighs in at 1800kg.
So let me guess... In your mind the Audi is faster?
Well... You are wrong. Some perspective.
MINI Clubman S - 0 to 100 in 7 seconds
Audi 2.7T A6 - 0 to 100 in 6.8 seconds.
In the real world the Audi does not stand a chance. The skill required to launch a heavy quattro with twin turbo's is immense (just like launching a Citi Golf is easier than launching a 320I). In the MINI I just put my foot flat. I know this as I have wiped the floor with a Clubman S against this particular car and even got pulled over by the Audi as he was horrified that a 1.6T MINI could nail him like that.
So Olorin. Hop off the high horse... At the end of the day we all love BMW / MINI and just because you have the slowest model currently in the range of 3 series does not mean that you should take offence. This is a public forum and I can assure you that 90% of this thread is banter and nothing serious. At the end of the day we still discuss and love your car just like the BMW guys love my MINI.
And yes... In the 1.6 Cooper (No Turbo) a lot of cars (Including Citi Golfs at times) wipe the floor with me. Its all relative.
Now - can everyone just calm the f*ck down?
Mike
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i may be adding fuel to the fire here, but that is not my intention.
from a PERSONAL perspective, while looking for a replacement for my R50 mini cooper (bought for my gf), i test drove a few E90 320i's.. and i came to the conclusion that they are dangerously underpowered.. ie any car that i do not feel confidant in overtaking with. (fair enough, i am used to 330d power)
that said, obviously 320i's do have their place in the scheme of things, nothing wrong with their comfort ect. i just think BMW slipped up power wise..
from a PERSONAL perspective, while looking for a replacement for my R50 mini cooper (bought for my gf), i test drove a few E90 320i's.. and i came to the conclusion that they are dangerously underpowered.. ie any car that i do not feel confidant in overtaking with. (fair enough, i am used to 330d power)
that said, obviously 320i's do have their place in the scheme of things, nothing wrong with their comfort ect. i just think BMW slipped up power wise..
SoulBladeZA
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BMW M said:Read some interesting facts in the Dynamic's Service Manual under '3 Series Specifications'. Under the '80 - 120km/h acceleration times the following:
(These times are for manual vehicles travelling in 4th gear)
m3 - 4.9 sec
335i - 5.1 sec
330i - 5.6 sec
320d - 5.9 sec :thumbsup: Only 1sec slower than the M3!
320i - 9 sec :dropjaw: .... Eina! :shocked:
Translated it means getting out your diary and make an appointment if you want to overtake another vehicle...
Yeah what that doesn't take into account is that the M3 is geared for 230 in 4th gear :hammerhead:
On a rolling run from 80 you'd be using 2nd in the M3, right at the start of the meat of the powerband.
AshG108
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Okay, firstly Olorin, have a look at my signature, i have owned citi golfs, raced them and some others also, drag racing, top-ends and circuits...i have owned the A3 2.0FSi you talk about as well and i currently own the 320i Individual.
now with this arguement, i can safely say i have had enough experience with all these cars to comment bearing in mind i also belong to the VWCSA, so i am not being niased here either:
just yesterday, i chased a 1.6i golf in Northgate, uphill from Banbury, 1 - 3rd in the 320i(DTC) i couldnt close a gap but halfway through third i started closing...i raced my buddies 1.6i sport from the line after learning how to launch the 320i(which is a pain in thr a55 cause of feathering and high revving, sounds very painful for the car) and first gear, he is slightly ahead, i start catching from start off third and this was flat road and with DTC off, by the next robo, the BM was ahead nicely.
when i had my A3(last owned it in December, 2nd week), my buddy has a 320i LCI with m-sport and 17"s on the car, the A3 raped the 320i from standstill, and i dont mean a little, the A3 ran away quite quickly and he couldt close the gap well into 5-6, only high 6th the BMW should rapidly catch. even on the highway, the 320i had issues with the A3,even on top end rolling runs, rolling runs period, the A3 had for the BMW, that car was lighter but somehow its torque manouvered much better through its gearing, the torque is very early on it.
i own the 320i and i aint taking offense to any statement, the fact of the matter is i acknowlged that the car was not the fastest and obviously still using the old e46 318i motor in the e90 heavier body(stand top be corrected) but i knew this before i bought the car, i didnt have to debate this now. alot of guys, even SA's have said the car has an ugraded exhaust but i aint too sure but my car still gets a lekker skrik from the citi(not shitty-as i do take offense to that)golf and any otehr lighter car which has the golfs power to weight, etc etc etc, making that little car a fighting force.
no-one is saying rather drive a golf than a BMW 320i, you buy the 320i, if you want a decent BMW to drive, from A-B,all the bells and whistles that alot of other car manufacturers would not have std on their cars and for a good price(second hand you can get alot) and also if you not expecting blowing the lights-out performance.
all in all, the 320i is a lekker cabbie, the Audi is faster but on the forefront, the BMW can take it on top end dependant on driver and conditions, the citi golf is nowhere near any of these 2 in weight. oh, an di have raced citi-golfs with the Audi and none have left me or even stuck with me, except the 2.0 8v/16v's lol, but i stand the 320i gets a good skrik from the citi!
now calm down bud, nobody means any harm and like everyone says, race a citi golf and see the difference what everybody is talking about, and dont race a velo, race an old 2001 citi 1.6i and gauge the gearing etc.
PEACE!
now with this arguement, i can safely say i have had enough experience with all these cars to comment bearing in mind i also belong to the VWCSA, so i am not being niased here either:
just yesterday, i chased a 1.6i golf in Northgate, uphill from Banbury, 1 - 3rd in the 320i(DTC) i couldnt close a gap but halfway through third i started closing...i raced my buddies 1.6i sport from the line after learning how to launch the 320i(which is a pain in thr a55 cause of feathering and high revving, sounds very painful for the car) and first gear, he is slightly ahead, i start catching from start off third and this was flat road and with DTC off, by the next robo, the BM was ahead nicely.
when i had my A3(last owned it in December, 2nd week), my buddy has a 320i LCI with m-sport and 17"s on the car, the A3 raped the 320i from standstill, and i dont mean a little, the A3 ran away quite quickly and he couldt close the gap well into 5-6, only high 6th the BMW should rapidly catch. even on the highway, the 320i had issues with the A3,even on top end rolling runs, rolling runs period, the A3 had for the BMW, that car was lighter but somehow its torque manouvered much better through its gearing, the torque is very early on it.
i own the 320i and i aint taking offense to any statement, the fact of the matter is i acknowlged that the car was not the fastest and obviously still using the old e46 318i motor in the e90 heavier body(stand top be corrected) but i knew this before i bought the car, i didnt have to debate this now. alot of guys, even SA's have said the car has an ugraded exhaust but i aint too sure but my car still gets a lekker skrik from the citi(not shitty-as i do take offense to that)golf and any otehr lighter car which has the golfs power to weight, etc etc etc, making that little car a fighting force.
no-one is saying rather drive a golf than a BMW 320i, you buy the 320i, if you want a decent BMW to drive, from A-B,all the bells and whistles that alot of other car manufacturers would not have std on their cars and for a good price(second hand you can get alot) and also if you not expecting blowing the lights-out performance.
all in all, the 320i is a lekker cabbie, the Audi is faster but on the forefront, the BMW can take it on top end dependant on driver and conditions, the citi golf is nowhere near any of these 2 in weight. oh, an di have raced citi-golfs with the Audi and none have left me or even stuck with me, except the 2.0 8v/16v's lol, but i stand the 320i gets a good skrik from the citi!
now calm down bud, nobody means any harm and like everyone says, race a citi golf and see the difference what everybody is talking about, and dont race a velo, race an old 2001 citi 1.6i and gauge the gearing etc.
PEACE!
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