2007 E90 335i vs 2017 F30 340i

[FerdiBotha]

Even a stock n54 will fly past a 330d, if fuel economy is your thing then good for you to each there own.

Stock vs stock obviously it will...
A mapped 330d is a totally different car though as is a mapped N54, but that’s a discussion for another day.

Don’t take/make everything so personal.

We’re like minded people and if I simply “trolled” to bring it under you attention that an N54 may not be the be all end all car you make it out to be - many people have owned them and couldn’t get rid of it quick enough and others will simply never sell it.

As for the B58 - go read about the technical aspects of the engine and you will quickly realise how the motor is designed for incredible tuning potential. The fact that there are no heavily modified B58 cars around is simply due to it being so new and most cars are under plan. Tuning companies also haven’t had as much time for R&D as they have had with the N54, which has been around for ages..

For what it’s worth Big Boost Turbos did 534bhp (395wkw) with their turbo upgrade, BMS intake, downpipe and JB4. No WMI etc. and no mods to the favtory fuelling system. The B58 really can’t be all that terrible then - http://www.bimmerboost.com/content....0i-and-Stage-3-turbo-kit-534-wheel-horsepower

 

[bmw335ie90]

Even a stock n54 will fly past a 330d, if fuel economy is your thing then good for you to each there own.

Stock vs stock obviously it will...
A mapped 330d is a totally different car though as is a mapped N54, but that’s a discussion for another day.

Don’t take/make everything so personal.

We’re like minded people and if I simply “trolled” to bring it under you attention that an N54 may not be the be all end all car you make it out to be - many people have owned them and couldn’t get rid of it quick enough and others will simply never sell it.

As for the B58 - go read about the technical aspects of the engine and you will quickly realise how the motor is designed for incredible tuning potential. The fact that there are no heavily modified B58 cars around is simply due to it being so new and most cars are under plan. Tuning companies also haven’t had as much time for R&D as they have had with the N54, which has been around for ages..

I am glad we can go on with the topic.
Yes lets leave that for a other day.

And sorry about taking it a bit personal. My point was just for a cash buyer like me you can't really buy a performance car with more performance potential,quality and luxury. And that is why i am so n54 crazy :hammerhead: even tho i know it will break on me.

I have been saving up for years now to buy it with my own money (not rent it from the bank and act like its my car). That's why i don't want to over pay for one as i have seen many good deals in the last year. People buy a to many things and can't always afford to pay them all then good deals tend to come up if you can wait for it.
I am sure i will get a decent one for about retail price.

Back to the b58, its almost 3 years in production now that its almost 2018
They better start cracking the DME its about time that JB or HMD offers a tune for these cars, i have heard of a 400whp fueling limit on these cars but don't know if its true or if it can be upgraded.

 

[Woodies]

The n54 best points seem to be that older models came with forged internals and it is easily to tune/modify. So it can make huge power. B58 definitely won’t have forged internals and seems more difficult to tune. If both engines had forged internals who knows which would make more power. I’ve had and enjoyed my n54, but if you not chasing huge power, the b58 seems like a damn good option.


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[S1NGH 911]

Even a stock n54 will fly past a 330d, if fuel economy is your thing then good for you to each there own.

Maybe you do have good input somewhere on this forum but i haven't seen it yet... :fencelook:

As for your comment about it winning shows and setting land speed records i don't where you saw me say that (maybe you made it up) :dunnoanymore::roflol::biglol:

But that's trolling.

Anyway back to that b58.
Does anyone know what the highest whp b58 is to date?
That 140i from Srspeedworx looked fast indeed.

@bmw335ie90 please let me know when you get your 335i I would love to test

 

[FerdiBotha]

Back to the b58, its almost 3 years in production now that its almost 2018
They better start cracking the DME its about time that JB or HMD offers a tune for these cars, i have heard of a 400whp fueling limit on these cars but don't know if its true or if it can be upgraded.

Go have a look at this - looks like the fuel “limit” is a myth. Make sure you read pg 2 as well as they update the progress with the car there :thumbs:-

http://www.bimmerboost.com/content....age-3-turbo-kit-534-wheel-horsepower#comments

 

[KrS24]

The b58 has hit the 570whp mark. This is with the ecu fuel cap. That was made with proper race fuel in the fuel tank and meth tank. This was done with the stock fuel pumps.

Fueling is the biggest hurdle to making big power.
Once the ecu is unlocked we will see it's true potential.
No one knows what the limit of the motor is yet ( that I am aware of), but we are excited to see what the future holds for the platform. I think 500whp on the stock turbo is possible at the coast once tuners can delve into the ecu.

My reasons to switch from the n54 to the b58:
1. Closed deck motor
2. Higher compression
3. Charge cooler
4. Mechanical coolant pump


Reasons not to go for the b58:
1. Cost
2. Vanos at the rear
3. A little soft if you don't have adaptive dampers
4. Maintenance after MP is going to be rough

The n54 to me is like being married to a supermodel that every now and then hits you in the face with a baseball bat.
The b58 is that sexy librarian that may be hiding an S&M dungeon. Time will tell....

 

[Rayzor]

Stock for stock the b58 is faster by miles.
Mod for mod is yet to be tested, but the b58s with just DP and JB are pushing the 290wkw mark which is helluva impressive :cartel:

 

[Ddoooooon]

340I for the win

 

[bmw335ie90]

Even a stock n54 will fly past a 330d, if fuel economy is your thing then good for you to each there own.

Maybe you do have good input somewhere on this forum but i haven't seen it yet... :fencelook:

As for your comment about it winning shows and setting land speed records i don't where you saw me say that (maybe you made it up) :dunnoanymore::roflol::biglol:

But that's trolling.

Anyway back to that b58.
Does anyone know what the highest whp b58 is to date?
That 140i from Srspeedworx looked fast indeed.

@bmw335ie90 please let me know when you get your 335i I would love to test

I will do so i'm hoping to get it in December but time will tell. (pm me so we can stay in contact) Do you have a b58 car? id love to test it out if you do and film it. I have a almost Fbo setup laying in wait for the n54. I will do a carbon clean,change the coils and plugs and charge pipe before i go Fbo.

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The n54 best points seem to be that older models came with forged internals and it is easily to tune/modify. So it can make huge power. B58 definitely won’t have forged internals and seems more difficult to tune. If both engines had forged internals who knows which would make more power. I’ve had and enjoyed my n54, but if you not chasing huge power, the b58 seems like a damn good option.


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I agree with that,

That is one of the biggest reasons why a n54 is so amazing. A almost fully forged motor built by BMW. Only the pistons are a high grade cast aluminum in later models but have been proven to handle 700whp+ well.

I am hoping to one day have the n54 running 600-650whp with mmp stage 3 twin turbos, mmp port injection kit and a LSD. A man can dream hey :smilebounce:

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I think the b58 in its stock form should be compared with the stock 35is n54 in the bmw z4. Has anyone been in both? It must be dam close. :fencelook:

 

[KrS24]

The B58 has a forged crank, connecting rods and pistons'.

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[Mia225]

i want to add my few cents here...talking from experience of what happened with me (and having owned both the 330D and N54)

N54 stock vs B58 stock - i got a big hiding from the B58. like there wasn't even a chance for my N54

N54 stock vs 330d stock - meh, the D gives up a fight, for a moment. N54 all the way

But a modded N54 - totally different car. it packs a hell of punch. there was little of the "normal"performance cars that will keep up really. but still don't think it will kill a stock B58.

but also, guys are forgetting. these were rolling runs. so comparing the N54 vs the B58 here doesn't make sense. as the N54 will come in a lot harder. however, i think from the line the B58 with the 8sp box will make it a different story.

 

[FerdiBotha]

i want to add my few cents here...talking from experience of what happened with me (and having owned both the 330D and N54)

N54 stock vs B58 stock - i got a big hiding from the B58. like there wasn't even a chance for my N54

N54 stock vs 330d stock - meh, the D gives up a fight, for a moment. N54 all the way

But a modded N54 - totally different car. it packs a hell of punch. there was little of the "normal"performance cars that will keep up really. but still don't think it will kill a stock B58.

but also, guys are forgetting. these were rolling runs. so comparing the N54 vs the B58 here doesn't make sense. as the N54 will come in a lot harder. however, i think from the line the B58 with the 8sp box will make it a different story.

Lol, there’s about 40kw difference between the 330d and the N54 335i, so is it even worth comparing to begin with?:hammerhead:

The actual comparison is between the B58 and N54 :thumbs:

 

[Mia225]

Lol, there’s about 40kw difference between the 330d and the N54 335i, so is it even worth comparing to begin with?:hammerhead:

The actual comparison is between the B58 and N54 :thumbs:

i added my comments based personal experience related to the previous discussions within this thread??
If you noticed pretty much 95% of my post was on topic of B58 vs N54 mgwaiting::bravo:

but seeing that you want to compare apples with pears mentioning the 40kw advantage:

the 330D (E90 lci) = 180kw | 540nm
the 335i (N54 lci) = 220kw | 400nm

Why not say anything about the torque advantage on the D? (which makes a difference on rolling runs I might add)

anyway

all this talk talk means nothing...
It doesn't matter if you win with an inch or a mile. winning is winning so come with what you have, leave with what you got.:blowheart:

 

[S1NGH 911]

Lol, there’s about 40kw difference between the 330d and the N54 335i, so is it even worth comparing to begin with?:hammerhead:

The actual comparison is between the B58 and N54 :thumbs:

i added my comments based personal experience related to the previous discussions within this thread??
If you noticed pretty much 95% of my post was on topic of B58 vs N54 mgwaiting::bravo:

but seeing that you want to compare apples with pears mentioning the 40kw advantage:

the 330D (E90 lci) = 180kw | 540nm
the 335i (N54 lci) = 220kw | 400nm

Why not say anything about the torque advantage on the D? (which makes a difference on rolling runs I might add)

anyway

all this talk talk means nothing...
It doesn't matter if you win with an inch or a mile. winning is winning so come with what you have, leave with what you got.:blowheart:

You should also bring your car when we are testing.....:cthulhu:

 

[Mia225]

You should also bring your car when we are testing.....:cthulhu:

lol bru - i don't mind. i come from a Reno RS stable... losing is nothing new to me. I believe in the love and fun of racing. there will always be someone faster than you. you the one driving your car, if you happy with it what difference does it to the rest of world ?

 

[r0ckf1re]

Even a stock n54 will fly past a 330d, if fuel economy is your thing then good for you to each there own.

Stock vs stock obviously it will...
A mapped 330d is a totally different car though as is a mapped N54, but that’s a discussion for another day.

Don’t take/make everything so personal.

We’re like minded people and if I simply “trolled” to bring it under you attention that an N54 may not be the be all end all car you make it out to be - many people have owned them and couldn’t get rid of it quick enough and others will simply never sell it.

As for the B58 - go read about the technical aspects of the engine and you will quickly realise how the motor is designed for incredible tuning potential. The fact that there are no heavily modified B58 cars around is simply due to it being so new and most cars are under plan. Tuning companies also haven’t had as much time for R&D as they have had with the N54, which has been around for ages..

I am glad we can go on with the topic.
Yes lets leave that for a other day.

And sorry about taking it a bit personal. My point was just for a cash buyer like me you can't really buy a performance car with more performance potential,quality and luxury. And that is why i am so n54 crazy :hammerhead: even tho i know it will break on me.

I have been saving up for years now to buy it with my own money (not rent it from the bank and act like its my car). That's why i don't want to over pay for one as i have seen many good deals in the last year. People buy a to many things and can't always afford to pay them all then good deals tend to come up if you can wait for it.
I am sure i will get a decent one for about retail price.

Back to the b58, its almost 3 years in production now that its almost 2018
They better start cracking the DME its about time that JB or HMD offers a tune for these cars, i have heard of a 400whp fueling limit on these cars but don't know if its true or if it can be upgraded.

LoL

:cthulhu:

 

[corp]

The B58 has a forged crank, connecting rods and pistons'.

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I wonder if the decision to not have forged internals on the N55 was purely just for cost cutting?

They obviously realised that is not what the market wanted (needed for mods) and added some again on the B58.

Big shame for the N55 in my opinion.



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[bmw335ie90]

I think they didn't use forged parts in the n55 in fear of making another 335i with 750+whp capabilities (n54). Think about it if you want a very fast car just go fbo and put a single turbo or bigger twin turbos on a n54 and walk almost anything... or buy a m3 for x4 the money and be fast ish with motor plan. And bmw does not want that to be possible again so they made the n55

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For those that have not seen what a n54 can really do. (800whp) :skit:

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[individj]

You should also bring your car when we are testing.....:cthulhu:

lol bru - i don't mind. i come from a Reno RS stable... losing is nothing new to me. I believe in the love and fun of racing. there will always be someone faster than you. you the one driving your car, if you happy with it what difference does it to the rest of world ?

:biglol:

 

[akash]

The b58 has hit the 570whp mark. This is with the ecu fuel cap. That was made with proper race fuel in the fuel tank and meth tank. This was done with the stock fuel pumps.

Fueling is the biggest hurdle to making big power.
Once the ecu is unlocked we will see it's true potential.
No one knows what the limit of the motor is yet ( that I am aware of), but we are excited to see what the future holds for the platform. I think 500whp on the stock turbo is possible at the coast once tuners can delve into the ecu.

My reasons to switch from the n54 to the b58:
1. Closed deck motor
2. Higher compression
3. Charge cooler
4. Mechanical coolant pump


Reasons not to go for the b58:
1. Cost
2. Vanos at the rear
3. A little soft if you don't have adaptive dampers
4. Maintenance after MP is going to be rough

The n54 to me is like being married to a supermodel that every now and then hits you in the face with a baseball bat.
The b58 is that sexy librarian that may be hiding an S&M dungeon. Time will tell....

1. B58 Closed Deck setup is what will help the B58 reach bigger numbers safely compared to the open deck N54, there are however people like MMP doing closed deck N54's have seen any reviews though.

2. B58 Vanos at the rear is just dumb from BMW :rage:

3. BMW finally learnt their lesson about using electric water pumps:dunnoanymore: