2006 E90 330i Manual what to expect

[griffen]

you going to be very disappointed in terms of power from a M to a 330i. Rather look at 330d or 320d

If you at the Reef, 330i is not the one to be looking at , one might as well buy a 325i if you after a NA car. If you at the coast it wont be so bad.

E90 330i is not a popular car mainly cause of its lack of performance especially with the steptronic box.

I would rather spend the same amount of money on a 325i , 320d. Its much more balanced all round.

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The 200kw goes well, i think your E36 has 210kw?? look sprint time almost the same

OMG.....

:bangdesk::bangdesk::bangdesk:

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Lol!!! Funny guy hey
Thanks for ur honesty I am at the coast, and its a manual
I drove a face lift 320d tiptronic, OMG its slow!
I raced a 330d with my corsa last week, it was like taking candy from a baby.
The 330i is faster than the 330d right?

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The 330i motors are strong and will handle 300k km with ease if it was cared for properly, ie never overheated and oil was changed regularly.

Mate any car can do mileage if looked afterd correctly.

Not true.
AT ALL!!!

Cars do age differently and there engines are designed differently, with different parts etc. Forged, semi Forged different strength materials.
let me make an example, My ex M3 had 206 000km on the clock when I sold it, vanos was a little noisey, thats about it. made 208kw and 320nm

Most cars at that mileage will not make the power it should anymore.
Opel 2L 16v engines show big loses in power at this point.

design, materials and over all quality comes into play, I can make many examples, have u driven a A4 Audi 6 cylinder at 100k and 200k? huge difference.
Well maintained E46 330i v E36 same mileage big difference again.

last one.
Most E46 cars with that sprayed plastic interior looks worn these days, the wood grain look still looks perfect

 

[Sabretooth tiger]

330D compares to 335i, not 330i

 

[griffen]

Yep, almost also got caught out by this advert looking info. Of course E46 still was being sold until early 2005 as the E90 was then launched. The earlier 330i engines like mine are the 190km / 300nm version, it's from 2007 I think that they upped the specs to 200kw / 315nm, but I gather all from the N52 family - been reading of major ongoing issues with the N53 direct injection engines (N52 is valvetronic and not direct injection like many think).

Not knocking the 325i, but cannot expect it to be the same as the 330i - similar performance and character, but certainly not the same, same situation as with the E46 engines. And the diesel versus petrol argument is now getting very tiring - if you want economy and performance for easier daily driving then get the diesel, if you want good daily performance but M engine like performance and character, you cannot go wrong with the 330i in my opinion. With that said, you are going from an M car to a non-M car, and I have never driven an E36 M3, so cannot comment on how they compare, but I would think that going from an E36 to an E90 just by itself is going to take a it of getting used to - E36 is more raw and less driver aid involved, whereas the E90 is maybe a bit clinical, refined but slightly detached by comparison. So best is to test drive and see.

In terms of performance, the 330i is very strong when driven properly! And then at the same time it can be decently economical if it needs to be - obviously not all at the same time, can't always have your bread buttered on both sides. Any well looked after engine should last long, but at least with the 330i there are no turbo or HPFP issues for instance to worry about - keep them fed with good quality oil and don't abuse when cold, they are pretty bullet-proof!

Hope this helps!

Edit: here are some vids of my car from various breakfast runs and so on...

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Engine soundtrack is addictive! :thumbs:

Thanks man, really good info
The car is on 134k but has FSH from agents so it should be ok.

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330D compares to 335i, not 330i

Cant be man?
330Ds are not that quick
are they?

Listen I raced one recently even if it was a tip, still I didnt even launch hard, I will never do that to a 335i.

 

[Sabretooth tiger]

go check Mr Abree's time on the ODI thread, and you will see what a 330D can do, just software you will make a stock 335i run for its money.
You talking here about with softwareover 600nm

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http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2009/...70107.html

 

[///M_Diesel]

Cant be man?
330Ds are not that quick
are they?

Listen I raced one recently even if it was a tip, still I didnt even launch hard, I will never do that to a 335i.

What model 330d did u race... :nonono:

bring the corsa and come :rollsmile:

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I owned a ///M e36 3.2 and traded it in for the 330d... you in for a shock ...

 

[Sabretooth tiger]

Cant be man?
330Ds are not that quick
are they?

Listen I raced one recently even if it was a tip, still I didnt even launch hard, I will never do that to a 335i.

What model 330d did u race... :nonono:

bring the corsa and come :rollsmile:

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I owned a ///M e36 3.2 and traded it in for the 330d... you in for a shock ...

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"Sabretooth Tiger, likes this"

 

[Philip Foglar]

Thanks man, really good info
The car is on 134k but has FSH from agents so it should be ok.

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330D compares to 335i, not 330i

Cant be man?
330Ds are not that quick
are they?

Listen I raced one recently even if it was a tip, still I didnt even launch hard, I will never do that to a 335i.

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I am sorry, take a 330i and a 330d off the line through the revs they might stay with each other overall (the 330d may edge ahead on launch and at the lower speeds), but the 330i will sling past from 100km/h onwards - plus, the 330i is happy to run up to red line all day long, not so sure the 330d will like this in the long run. :idea:

I do agree that you can compare a 330d to a 335i, for the simple reason that they are both forced induction. So comparing a 330i to a 330d is then supposed to be an unfair prospect, but in terms of performance figures they are in the similar league, give or take, with their own pros and cons and special qualities. Now we don't have the 335d here, but did find a youtube vid of a 335i running from rolling start against a 335d, and just like the 330i, it eventually creamed the diesel. But I guarantee you, both of the diesels will be exceptionally good for overall driving and economy, and desirable for these properties. But the petrols are still going to be the more rewarding when driven properly as far as I am concerned.

Now, of these four mentioned cars, three of which are turbo charged, which is most likely going to be more reliable and troublesome in the long run? Zero to a 100 times is no good if the car is often sitting in a garage for costly repairs...

Basically I would recommend taking all three available locally for test drives - then make your mind up. :thumbs:

 

[SP33DYV]

330D compares to 335i, not 330i

I disagree!
335i only compares to tuned 330d. And even then the 335i will win, just not at the pumps.

My case in point.
My ex e46 330i vs Merc c-class C320CDi up at the reef. The 330i wins hands down from pull away all the way to illegal speeds. And this was 170kw 300Nm version compared to a C320CDi 2007.

 

[griffen]

Cant be man?
330Ds are not that quick
are they?

Listen I raced one recently even if it was a tip, still I didnt even launch hard, I will never do that to a 335i.

What model 330d did u race... :nonono:

bring the corsa and come :rollsmile:

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I owned a ///M e36 3.2 and traded it in for the 330d... you in for a shock ...

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let me guess u have software ?
im in the northern suburbs
where abouts are u, would be happy to oblige car will be sold soon so we need to be quick about it.

I am talking stock, surely a stock 330d will not compare to a stock 335i

and it was a facelift 330d and it was easy peeeeezzzy, didnt even launch really, picked up a little bit of wheelspin into second so I was a car ahead, got traction and just drove away from it, pls pm me dont hijack my thread or start a 2L 16v corsa + ITBs vs 330d with software

Love that someone beats a car and then ppl are whose car was that, not my 330d hehehe, they dont even stop to think it cud be 12sec car lol.

 

[SP33DYV]

Thanks man, really good info
The car is on 134k but has FSH from agents so it should be ok.

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330D compares to 335i, not 330i

Cant be man?
330Ds are not that quick
are they?

Listen I raced one recently even if it was a tip, still I didnt even launch hard, I will never do that to a 335i.

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I am sorry, take a 330i and a 330d off the line through the revs they might stay with each other overall (the 330d may edge ahead on launch and at the lower speeds), but the 330i will sling past from 100km/h onwards - plus, the 330i is happy to run up to red line all day long, not so sure the 330d will like this in the long run. :idea:

I do agree that you can compare a 330d to a 335i, for the simple reason that they are both forced induction. So comparing a 330i to a 330d is then supposed to be an unfair prospect, but in terms of performance figures they are in the similar league, give or take, with their own pros and cons and special qualities. Now we don't have the 335d here, but did find a youtube vid of a 335i running from rolling start against a 335d, and just like the 330i, it eventually creamed the diesel. But I guarantee you, both of the diesels will be exceptionally good for overall driving and economy, and desirable for these properties. But the petrols are still going to be the more rewarding when driven properly as far as I am concerned.

Now, of these four mentioned cars, three of which are turbo charged, which is most likely going to be more reliable and troublesome in the long run? Zero to a 100 times is no good if the car is often sitting in a garage for costly repairs...

Basically I would recommend taking all three available locally for test drives - then make your mind up. :thumbs:

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Agree 100% with you Philip. Depends what each individual prefer and what you gonna use it for.

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opcorn:

 

[griffen]

Thanks man, really good info
The car is on 134k but has FSH from agents so it should be ok.

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330D compares to 335i, not 330i

Cant be man?
330Ds are not that quick
are they?

Listen I raced one recently even if it was a tip, still I didnt even launch hard, I will never do that to a 335i.

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I am sorry, take a 330i and a 330d off the line through the revs they might stay with each other overall (the 330d may edge ahead on launch and at the lower speeds), but the 330i will sling past from 100km/h onwards - plus, the 330i is happy to run up to red line all day long, not so sure the 330d will like this in the long run. :idea:

I do agree that you can compare a 330d to a 335i, for the simple reason that they are both forced induction. So comparing a 330i to a 330d is then supposed to be an unfair prospect, but in terms of performance figures they are in the similar league, give or take, with their own pros and cons and special qualities. Now we don't have the 335d here, but did find a youtube vid of a 335i running from rolling start against a 335d, and just like the 330i, it eventually creamed the diesel. But I guarantee you, both of the diesels will be exceptionally good for overall driving and economy, and desirable for these properties. But the petrols are still going to be the more rewarding when driven properly as far as I am concerned.

Now, of these four mentioned cars, three of which are turbo charged, which is most likely going to be more reliable and troublesome in the long run? Zero to a 100 times is no good if the car is often sitting in a garage for costly repairs...

Basically I would recommend taking all three available locally for test drives - then make your mind up. :thumbs:

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Agree 100% with you Philip. Depends what each individual prefer and what you gonna use it for.

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opcorn:

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Thanks to the guys helping giving info
I want to buy it, maybe change exhaust and filter, nothing more.
So as u assumed my question is whats it like in stock form.


should no later

 

[SP33DYV]

Cant be man?
330Ds are not that quick
are they?

Listen I raced one recently even if it was a tip, still I didnt even launch hard, I will never do that to a 335i.

What model 330d did u race... :nonono:

bring the corsa and come :rollsmile:

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I owned a ///M e36 3.2 and traded it in for the 330d... you in for a shock ...

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///M_Diesel come to ODI on the 20th of October.
http://www.bmwfanatics.co.za/showthread.php?tid=35688

 

[griffen]

tx guys getting what I originally wanted , my wife is still stuck on the e90 330i so need to drive the one at the dealer on saturday. They had 330ds there as well, will let u know what I thought

 

[///Shaun]

I have the fastest 330d in the country and i can tell you right now , there is no 330i modded that stands a chance , i have raced so many and all ended very badly for the 330i.

To give you a indication , i have run 13.8sec at ODI and Tartlon and on the 1km i was trapped at 217km/h. Car makes a healthy 200kw (at the wheels) and 670nm (software and downpipe)

To add to it i also owned a very strong modded E36 M3.2 that also ran 13.8sec at Tarlton and ODI.

You see the trend above ?

Having owned many a M3s , different models and the likes I can comfortably even go onto to say E46M3s are not even a problem at the Reef , hell even the E92M got a shock of its life when going against the 330d. (not saying the 330d is unbeatable)

If you doubt this comments of mine , Im more than happy to go against any 330i/E46M3 to illustrate how a 330d goes over any distance.

Im not here to gloat or anything similar , its not who I am .Im just trying to illustrate of how strong a 330d is , In seeing that you say a Corsa can take a 330d out from the line etc

PS: i own a 335i as well and fully agree a stock 330d against a 335i , 335i will take it all the time. A modded 330d vs a stock 335i. The 335i will be in for a shock on a 400m run.

At the last BMW FANATICS track day , I raced lots of 335s against my 330d . I rather let the guys with the 335s comment.

Of recent I tried my stock 335i against my modded 330d. It was a very tight race but the upper hand belonging to the 330d. These were runs from the line and rolling right till topend. Now that the 335i is modded I can comfortably say the 330d stands no chance and thats without me even testing. (there is like a 50wheel KW difference in power between the two)

And lastly : Heres a video to illustrate how a 330d can perform , it goes against a modded Focus ST , notice the headstart the 330d give to the Focus. (Races like this happened to more than one ST)

http://www.clipmoon.com/videos/27117c9/mos1ted-vs-focus-st.html

:thumbs:

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I am sorry, take a 330i and a 330d off the line through the revs they might stay with each other overall (the 330d may edge ahead on launch and at the lower speeds), but the 330i will sling past from 100km/h onwards - plus, the 330i is happy to run up to red line all day long, not so sure the 330d will like this in the long run. :idea:

E90 330d comes out the factory already sitting on quiet a high boost , 1.4bar if memory serves me right. That statement alone will say how strong the internals of these cars are and will be able to withstand rough driving everyday for a long time.

In regards to the above statement , maybe at the coast that scenario will work but I highly doubt it at the Reef.

One has to always consider loss of power for a NA car a the Reef and 9 outta 10 times this is why NA cars fall short at the Reef in TLGPS and the likes.

 

[Arbee]

I have the fastest 330d in the country and i can tell you right now , there is no 330i modded that stands a chance , i have raced so many and all ended very badly for the 330i.

To give you a indication , i have run 13.8sec at ODI and Tartlon and on the 1km i was trapped at 217km/h. Car makes a healthy 200kw (at the wheels) and 670nm (software and downpipe)

To add to it i also owned a very strong modded E36 M3.2 that also ran 13.8sec at Tarlton and ODI.

You see the trend above ?

Having owned many a M3s , different models and the likes I can comfortably even go onto to say E46M3s are not even a problem at the Reef , hell even the E92M got a shock of its life when going against the 330d. (not saying the 330d is unbeatable)

If you doubt this comments of mine , Im more than happy to go against any 330i/E46M3 to illustrate how a 330d goes over any distance.

Im not here to gloat or anything similar , its not who I am .Im just trying to illustrate of how strong a 330d is , In seeing that you say a Corsa can take a 330d out from the line etc

PS: i own a 335i as well and fully agree a stock 330d against a 335i , 335i will take it all the time. A modded 330d vs a stock 335i. The 335i will be in for a shock on a 400m run.

At the last BMW FANATICS track day , I raced lots of 335s against my 330d . I rather let the guys with the 335s comment.

Of recent I tried my stock 335i against my modded 330d. It was a very tight race but the upper hand belonging to the 330d. These were runs from the line and rolling right till topend. Now that the 335i is modded I can comfortably say the 330d stands no chance and thats without me even testing. (there is like a 50wheel KW difference in power between the two)

And lastly : Heres a video to illustrate how a 330d can perform , it goes against a modded Focus ST , notice the headstart the 330d give to the Focus. (Races like this happened to more than one ST)

http://www.clipmoon.com/videos/27117c9/mos1ted-vs-focus-st.html

:thumbs:

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I am sorry, take a 330i and a 330d off the line through the revs they might stay with each other overall (the 330d may edge ahead on launch and at the lower speeds), but the 330i will sling past from 100km/h onwards - plus, the 330i is happy to run up to red line all day long, not so sure the 330d will like this in the long run. :idea:

E90 330d comes out the factory already sitting on quiet a high boost , 1.4bar if memory serves me right. That statement alone will say how strong the internals of these cars are and will be able to withstand rough driving everyday for a long time.

In regards to the above statement , maybe at the coast that scenario will work but I highly doubt it at the Reef.

One has to always consider loss of power for a NA car a the Reef and 9 outta 10 times this is why NA cars fall short at the Reef in TLGPS and the likes.

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:ty:

Looks like you and I are saying the same thing in different threads!!! Im just the seconds fastest 330d in the country!! :bravo:

 

[griffen]

Hey Shaun

I think u a bit off track though, I definately said stock, I have no intention of modding the 330i or the 330d.
If I wanted crazy performance I would have turbod my corsa by now, then I can run 11s easy.

at the coast corsa`s in my spec, actually less do mid 13s with decent rubber at the track. IT will take a std 330d, chew on it and spit it out. Not sure re one with software.

Why I say that stock a 330d is slow is cause I did it with such ease.

Like u say same mods to the 335 and it kills the 330d again.

 

[///Shaun]

Hey Shaun

I think u a bit off track though, I definately said stock, I have no intention of modding the 330i or the 330d.
If I wanted crazy performance I would have turbod my corsa by now, then I can run 11s easy.

at the coast corsa`s in my spec, actually less do mid 13s with decent rubber at the track. IT will take a std 330d, chew on it and spit it out. Not sure re one with software.

Why I say that stock a 330d is slow is cause I did it with such ease.

Like u say same mods to the 335 and it kills the 330d again.

Mate you obviously know nothing about racing and times. Your statements above clearly show it. Big difference with time comparisons between coast and reef but hey im not going to bother explaining it to you. Not like we comparing apples with apples , we are comparing apples and peanuts

If you feel a stock E90 330d is slow , so be it.

Newbies FTW !

Maybe the internet can help :

http://www.topcar.co.za/road-tests/comparisons/bmw-330d-vs-bmw335i

some of the statements made in the article :

1) The 335i might still be king on the track, but on the road, for me, the 330d now rules. The King is dead. Long live the King.

2) He clocks a best time of 1.30.89. It’s almost half a second faster than our lap time in an Audi RS4 last year and only slightly slower than our times in a BMW M3 and Mercedes-Benz C63. Different driver. Different time of the day, but still … this is a diesel, for crying out loud!


:bangdesk::bangdesk::bangdesk:

 

[griffen]

Hey Shaun

I think u a bit off track though, I definately said stock, I have no intention of modding the 330i or the 330d.
If I wanted crazy performance I would have turbod my corsa by now, then I can run 11s easy.

at the coast corsa`s in my spec, actually less do mid 13s with decent rubber at the track. IT will take a std 330d, chew on it and spit it out. Not sure re one with software.

Why I say that stock a 330d is slow is cause I did it with such ease.

Like u say same mods to the 335 and it kills the 330d again.

Mate you obviously know nothing about racing and times. Your statements above clearly show it. Big difference with time comparisons between coast and reef but hey im not going to bother explaining it to you. Not like we comparing apples with apples , we are comparing apples and peanuts

If you feel a stock E90 330d is slow , so be it.

Newbies FTW !

Maybe the internet can help :

http://www.topcar.co.za/road-tests/comparisons/bmw-330d-vs-bmw335i

some of the statements made in the article :

1) The 335i might still be king on the track, but on the road, for me, the 330d now rules. The King is dead. Long live the King.

2) He clocks a best time of 1.30.89. It’s almost half a second faster than our lap time in an Audi RS4 last year and only slightly slower than our times in a BMW M3 and Mercedes-Benz C63. Different driver. Different time of the day, but still … this is a diesel, for crying out loud!


:bangdesk::bangdesk::bangdesk:

Why would I care about reef times when I am at the coast????
I dont understand what u are on about. A stock 330d in my opinion is slow, and since I have no ambition to modify my next car it wont surfice.

Lol at newbie , I can see you are now getting upset because you are trying to get personal

Which would have worked nicely on a forum when I was a young lad

enjoy your 330d
Have a good day

 

[///M_Diesel]

A stock LCI 330d is no ways slower the a stock 330i. Look at BMW stats...
the LCI 330d is also stronger in accelation when in gears against a stock 335i... Btw these r just BMW stats...

My cars stock...

U will enjoy the 330i at the coast and love the sound track only down side will be the fuel bill :thumbs:

 

[griffen]

A stock LCI 330d is no ways slower the a stock 330i. Look at BMW stats...
the LCI 330d is also stronger in accelation when in gears against a stock 335i... Btw these r just BMW stats...

My cars stock...

U will enjoy the 330i at the coast and love the sound track only down side will be the fuel bill :thumbs:

Thanks for the input dude.
I will try and give them both a drive on Saturday and if not then Monday.
My wife is still set on an E90 for her.

I am getting what I originally wanted E39 M5!