discussion 750i msport at a steal or not?

[Chinoza]

So a friend calls me yesterday for advise. A mech that he knows presented this offer to him. The mech has a 2014 750i M Sport sitting there for the past 2 years with a broken crank shaft which apparently broke because the owner drove from CT to JHB without stopping and the car didn't get the rest it needed (LOL). So he says to my friend, he can pay him (the mech) R50k for the car and they already got a quote to replace the crank as that's all that's needed which would cost another R30k max. So he's thinking ok R80k for a 750i with full house, then he can flip it and make some moola. When i asked him to get more details from the mech like, what else broke in the engine, does this include rings and bearings, are any sensors damaged, etc.... The mech then changes his choon. So my friend walked away from it.

 

[Sabretooth tiger]

Sounds like a expensive way to loose R50 000.00,..............

Wait it actually sounds like a bad divorce. R50k for the wedding and then the 750i will leave with half of his stuff while sitting in his yard still taking up space in his life.

 

[Greenz]

I know a Nigerian prince that can give your friend 50k!

 

[Chinoza]

Lmao, thats why i told him to rather play lotto or powerball chances are better.

 

[Nishcat_M140i]

If I'm not mistaken, 2014 750i will be the F01 Shape.

These cars are still retailing from R350k and upwards. R50k seems like a steal, but the question is, what else is wrong with that car for it to be that cheap?

I understand the idea behind it to make more money, but I personally would stay away from it. He's bound to spend more than he plans on, especially on a 7 series with the N63 motor.

And another thing. There is absolutely no way that car would have went from CT to JHB without stopping. CT to JHB is about 1400km distance. A V8 will never get you that much range on 1 full tank. So he definitely must have stopped.

And if he pays the Mechanic for it and takes it off his hands, there's always a chance that he could also face potential legalities from the actual owner especially if he has a tracker on it, because I'm sure its still under their name and registration having been there for the lengthy period of time its been with the mechanic for.

 

[Chinoza]

If I'm not mistaken, 2014 750i will be the F01 Shape.

These cars are still retailing from R350k and upwards. R50k seems like a steal, but the question is, what else is wrong with that car for it to be that cheap?

I understand the idea behind it to make more money, but I personally would stay away from it. He's bound to spend more than he plans on, especially on a 7 series with the N63 motor.

And another thing. There is absolutely no way that car would have went from CT to JHB without stopping. CT to JHB is about 1400km distance. A V8 will never get you that much range on 1 full tank. So he definitely must have stopped.

And if he pays the Mechanic for it and takes it off his hands, there's always a chance that he could also face potential legalities from the actual owner especially if he has a tracker on it, because I'm sure its still under their name and registration having been there for the lengthy period of time its been with the mechanic for.

These were my exact words to him. I suspect the owner wanted the R50k as he said the person was not interested in fixing the car anymore. A crank shaft breaking while driving sure breaks other things (i'm no mech, but i do know a little, very little). He did call an engineer that specialises in BMW's and the guy also said just to do the crank would be R20k but he cannot guarantee that that's all that would need repairs. Hence i said, depends on your risk appetite to take a gamble.

Absolutely agree that he had to stop for fuel, food and toilet. So its all just a falice if you ask me.

 

[Sabretooth tiger]

And another thing. There is absolutely no way that car would have went from CT to JHB without stopping. CT to JHB is about 1400km distance. A V8 will never get you that much range on 1 full tank. So he definitely must have stopped.

you say that, but maybe he had some mates with a mobile filling station

 

[TurboLlew]

So a friend calls me yesterday for advise. A mech that he knows presented this offer to him. The mech has a 2014 750i M Sport sitting there for the past 2 years with a broken crank shaft which apparently broke because the owner drove from CT to JHB without stopping and the car didn't get the rest it needed (LOL). So he says to my friend, he can pay him (the mech) R50k for the car and they already got a quote to replace the crank as that's all that's needed which would cost another R30k max. So he's thinking ok R80k for a 750i with full house, then he can flip it and make some moola. When i asked him to get more details from the mech like, what else broke in the engine, does this include rings and bearings, are any sensors damaged, etc.... The mech then changes his choon. So my friend walked away from it.

It is always entertaining to see these guys (a mech of all people) telling you that 'all it needs is a new crank' . "Broken crank" can also mean a whole host of things in terms of the root of the catastrophic failure...

This is a tier above "slight bearing knock, my guy can do it for R10K" on a V10

No... Go and look at @General.Massacre 's recent rebuild: You are in for exactly the same kind of thing because it is exactly the same kind of engine in terms of layout and complexity. IIRC R150K-ish - probably 200K to do it properly.

You can swap an engine in I guess? But it is an N63 so good luck with finding a good example of that and you will have some refresh work on it.

Then you have all the sitting car problems... and all the problems that have not been disclosed and can't be tested... and then the 'wonderful' electronics of the time...

If it was only R30K to realise 200K in additional value then the owner would 100% be doing it.

A fool and his money are soon parted...
A sucker is born every minute...

plenty of quotes to go around for this.

 

[Riaad]

Gents...Don't forget to rest your cars

 

[Tinuva]

I wanna know, how exactly did the crank go...there is a lot missing to that story. Like, the whole part before the crank.

Anyways, I will let my car rest. While I sleep.

 

[Chinoza]

I wanna know, how exactly did the crank go...there is a lot missing to that story. Like, the whole part before the crank.

Anyways, I will let my car rest. While I sleep.

Yeah not very forth coming with info

 

[Benji]

I see now why my E39 developed cooling issues, I drove it 1200km without any rest! Lessons learnt

Anyway, a "broken crank" could have been caused by any myriad of things - oil pump, bearings, blocked passageways, overheating etc and it would definetely have taken other things with it.

 

[AshG108]

Moral of the story here, is if you drive your car without stopping on a long journey, your car will get cranky!

 

[FILV]

Specialists recommend a short rest every 4 hours for optimal longevity,plus a shot of Collagen into the tank can having amazing results to your Cars appearance and durabilty

 

[Spanky]

Moral of the stroy here, is if you drive your car without stopping on a long journey, your car will get cranky!

 

[General.Massacre]

It is always entertaining to see these guys (a mech of all people) telling you that 'all it needs is a new crank' . "Broken crank" can also mean a whole host of things in terms of the root of the catastrophic failure...

This is a tier above "slight bearing knock, my guy can do it for R10K" on a V10

No... Go and look at @General.Massacre 's recent rebuild: You are in for exactly the same kind of thing because it is exactly the same kind of engine in terms of layout and complexity. IIRC R150K-ish - probably 200K to do it properly.

You can swap an engine in I guess? But it is an N63 so good luck with finding a good example of that and you will have some refresh work on it.

Then you have all the sitting car problems... and all the problems that have not been disclosed and can't be tested... and then the 'wonderful' electronics of the time...

If it was only R30K to realise 200K in additional value then the owner would 100% be doing it.

A fool and his money are soon parted...
A sucker is born every minute...

plenty of quotes to go around for this.

Exactly this Llew,

My crank didnt even need replacing, it was just polished, if it had to be replaced, add upwards of 15k extra for a good second hand crank (If you can find one), or pay out for a brand new one from agents.
S63 rebuild was initially quoted between 200k - 250k.

Even an engine swap, sure, if you can find one in good condition, looking at maybe 120k for the engine alone, plus the labour to have it installed, all serviing and checks to be done etc, still north of 150k.

In my experience, any mechanic that remotely tells you or hints that these engine "Just" need this, or that, or wont cost much more than x, is straight up just lying and trying to pass off problems to get it off their hands.
You pay to play. You want the fun and enjoyment, and guaranteed tears of the V8? sure, pay the 50k. but behind Door No.1 is a 150k+ new engine somewhere, behind Door No.2 is a 200K+ full rebuild.

Next concern, which i still dont know yet, is a specialised mechanic/shop that will correctly, and pedantically work on these engines in the Cape Town area. Garage808 wont do it, ive already enquired, Brilliant Mechanical Workshop, maybe, but im still yet to chat with Rolf fully, that will come in due course.

My school fees have been, and are still being paid. its not a cheap exercise, and you take it 100% at risk. Just know that just coz a "Mechanic" says its JUST needs a 30k spent on it for a crank, doesnt make it so. not even an Opel Astra will cost you 30k to fix for a rebuild. (Crank failure as said above extends to the whole motor.).

Leave this thought alone, its foolish. Look for a good running example, and work from there.

Thanks for coming to my tedTalk.

 

[husaindindar]

I never rested in my teens AND 20's...
My crank is still fine....

 

[msm]

SA might not be ready for this yet, but instead of throwing/wasting another engine, these "shells" become good candidates for EV conversions. Granted the the F01 has lots of electric stuff that you would need to ditch, but nice candidate to play with a EV conversion... Obviously makes zero financial sense - more of a nice project to throw money at, instead of just another engine

 

[TBP88]

If it was really 30k to fix, the mechie would fix and sell for triple digit profits. He won't fix and sell because it won't be 30k.
Also, the title of this thread, no matter what, could never be true "750i for a steal". The only one getting robbed when a 750i is purchased is the purchaser, whether that's new, 5yrs old or 15yrs old.

 

[individj]

tell the Mech to fix it and he will give him R80k.