What should I pay for this 125i E82 coupe?

corvinus

New member
Hi everyone,

I've been looking for a BMW 125i M-Sport Coupe for awhile and have found a clean one.

The seller has a 2013 auto model with only 56,000 KM and a FSH from BMW.

The problem is, he wants R270,000 for it. This seems a little high to me and he doesn't want to accept my R230,000 cash offer.

What would a reasonable price be? Am I lowballing or should I go higher?

Any advice or help would be appreciated.
 

TurboLlew

Honorary ///Member
Link to the ad for the car?

When you say FSH is that annual services/oil changes every year for the past 11 years plus diff/transmission oils, age related suspension wear maintenance etc? If so, that will contribute to a higher asking price.

That said, I am always suspicious of guys with very old, non-special cars that have extremely low mileage for the year. Have a look at the service history and look for the years the car was actually actively being used and if there is evidence of it having sat for some period of time. If you go through a lot of the posts on the forum of cars for sale, it is evident that these kinds of cars either have mileages that are rolled back or the car was uninsured/insurance denied a claim at some point early in its life and it sat for years.

Nobody is buying 125is (or base model E46s or E36s etc) to pickle them as collector's items. Not to say that one-elderly-owner-drove-to-church-on-sunday cars don't exist. They don't exist in the volumes we see in the market. Just do your homework before you decide on anything.

I can't imagine he has many people falling over themselves to buy a 125i, even if it has low miles - surprised he didn't pitch R250K already to close the deal.
 

corvinus

New member
Link to the ad for the car?

When you say FSH is that annual services/oil changes every year for the past 11 years plus diff/transmission oils, age related suspension wear maintenance etc? If so, that will contribute to a higher asking price.

That said, I am always suspicious of guys with very old, non-special cars that have extremely low mileage for the year. Have a look at the service history and look for the years the car was actually actively being used and if there is evidence of it having sat for some period of time. If you go through a lot of the posts on the forum of cars for sale, it is evident that these kinds of cars either have mileages that are rolled back or the car was uninsured/insurance denied a claim at some point early in its life and it sat for years.

Nobody is buying 125is (or base model E46s or E36s etc) to pickle them as collector's items. Not to say that one-elderly-owner-drove-to-church-on-sunday cars don't exist. They don't exist in the volumes we see in the market. Just do your homework before you decide on anything.

I can't imagine he has many people falling over themselves to buy a 125i, even if it has low miles - surprised he didn't pitch R250K already to close the deal.
Hii, thank you for the detailed reply!

Not sure exactly what he meant by FSH @ BMW, but he says all checks can be done there too.

I figured once he has settled on a somewhat reasonable price I'd get the VIN, then re-negotiate if anything major comes up.

I was also thinking of taking it to a specialist workshop like Garage 808 to do a full inspection before buying.

It's quite scary someone could potentially roll back the kms. Would the workshop be able to pick this up?

Here's a link to the ad: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1095963298830275
 

TBP88

Well-known member
Drivers seat doesn't *SCREAM* low miler weekend car (also who buys a mid-range 1er as a weekend ride? what?) @OP rather get one miled up and save plenty of cash to do maintaining on. I'd also be very skeptical of a 1er with ~5000 km/yr level mileage.
 

Mytfine

Well-known member
Pass except for the low mileage its just a 125i. Maintenance is going to be needed at this age whether it has 55k or 155k as rubber degrades over time. Also remember that a150k car would likely have had ita suspension components changed just recently, cooling system overhauled, running train fluids changed etc...
The 55k will need all this now or shortly.
 

Mytfine

Well-known member
As an aside, I buy what would be considered alot of used 15 to 20 year old bmw's (usually 1 to 2 a year). I am not a dealer but when i come across a super neat example at a low price i just buy them use for a while and sell on.

75% of the time its back on the market within a week with drastically lower mileage. My 325 wagon went from 330k to 150k my 328 went from 350k to 120k and if you didn't know the cars you would swear the mileage was genuine as the interiors was immaculate, and the car ran as as original.
 

corvinus

New member
Would this 120d be a better alternative? https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1272345037398811

The seller says he has had the car for a few years and has a FSH at garage 808 which I can enquire about.

He also says there has been a bit of respray that insurance has sorted out, but some minor scratches will need to be addressed.

Other faults are the boot light being out and tyre sensor being on (he says just a reset is needed).

I was thinking of offering around 180k and spending the rest on getting the car perfect.
 

Greenz

///Member
Would this 120d be a better alternative? https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1272345037398811

The seller says he has had the car for a few years and has a FSH at garage 808 which I can enquire about.

He also says there has been a bit of respray that insurance has sorted out, but some minor scratches will need to be addressed.

Other faults are the boot light being out and tyre sensor being on (he says just a reset is needed).

I was thinking of offering around 180k and spending the rest on getting the car perfect.

Panel gaps don't look right...could just be the black labels talking.
 

TurboLlew

Honorary ///Member
Good points above. You need to have a bit of common sense buying cars like this. As I said, it makes absolutely no sense for the market to have so many old and ordinary cars magically around 50-100000km. I have also said I would much rather have a car with a comment than one that has had covered up repairs done to some unknown standard.

Some of these cars are over 10 years old. Some pushing closer to 20. Yet there are neverending supplies of repmobiles somehow at magical mileages... and presenting worse than many of the forum members cars that have triple the mileages. 100K maybe... 5xxxx? very difficult to believe.

A few of us joke about these cars going from the pole to the convent. People looking for these low mileage cars and 'accident free' cars actually don't know anything about cars quite frankly and this is why there is so much mileage tampering and why 'silent' backyard repairs happen. It's because that is the first thing the average person wants to see and hear. The mileage becomes a fixation and how the rest of the car presents doesn't really matter. Someone with a well taken care of 250000km car will struggle to sell it but the very same car (as @Mytfine alludes to above) can be given a new mileage and fake history and suddenly the person buying it thinks its a good deal. I think many folks would be amazed at how well an enthusiast-owned 150000 or 250000km car can present. My old F10 M5 could have had 100000km knocked off it and it would have been believable vs. what else was out there.

Accident history is another one: comforting lies trump reality. You can often see shoddy repairs but as long as the car 'has no comments' that is all that buyers want because they rely on the 'rubber stamp' of not having comments rather than using their own 5 senses. There is nothing wrong with buying a car that might have (shock horror) had a panel or two redone/sprayed in 10-15 years of its existence. There is something very wrong buying a 'comment free' car that has visible drip lines and fish eyes in the paint.

The guys doing this are absolute scum and have holier-than-thou or take-it-or-leave-it attitudes when you engage them as well. When they are approaching you to buy a car they come with hard luck stories about how they need a car urgently or how their dead father or mother had one just like it or how they need a deep discount for some or the other reason, usually because it has such high mileage. 2 days later it's for sale with a different mileage, different history and a very long flowery story to go with this "amazing example".

Just a bit of logic: These are not M cars, they are not special cars, the majority of their lives were pre-COVID/WFH era and we live in South Africa - a country where you generally are doing large mileages if you are in any way employed (and let's face it, if the original owners bought a 125i they weren't exactly in the C-suite working remotely).

Even if it is genuinely at a low mileage there are 'sitting car' problems and age related maintenance that will be necessary. Whatever the case, there must be some reason that a car like the one above has not covered mileage in 11 years. It has the same mileage as my fairly lightly used F90 M5 which is half it's age. It is being used in a similar way to dedicated track and weekend cars (and something like my 4C or a GT4) if the mileage was real.

Guys are telling themselves fairytales with 90s and 2000s BMWs that have these low mileages. At the same time the. market is collectively unaware of what exactly a 200 or 300000km car should look like... they just know they need to be terrified of high mileages, despite them happily buying those same cars with an 'adjusted' 100 or 150000km on them :ROFLMAO: These are the pitfalls of dealing with third party sellers in SA these days. You can literally turn back mileage in 15 minutes even on VERY modern cars.
 
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TBP88

Well-known member
Good points above. You need to have a bit of common sense buying cars like this. As I said, it makes absolutely no sense for the market to have so many old and ordinary cars magically around 50-100000km. I have also said I would much rather have a car with a comment than one that has had covered up repairs done to some unknown standard.

Some of these cars are over 10 years old. Some pushing closer to 20. Yet there are neverending supplies of repmobiles somehow at magical mileages... and presenting worse than many of the forum members cars that have triple the mileages. 100K maybe... 5xxxx? very difficult to believe.

A few of us joke about these cars going from the pole to the convent. People looking for these low mileage cars and 'accident free' cars actually don't know anything about cars quite frankly and this is why there is so much mileage tampering and why 'silent' backyard repairs happen. It's because that is the first thing the average person wants to see and hear. The mileage becomes a fixation and how the rest of the car presents doesn't really matter. Someone with a well taken care of 250000km car will struggle to sell it but the very same car (as @Mytfine alludes to above) can be given a new mileage and fake history and suddenly the person buying it thinks its a good deal. I think many folks would be amazed at how well an enthusiast-owned 150000 or 250000km car can present. My old F10 M5 could have had 100000km knocked off it and it would have been believable vs. what else was out there.

Accident history is another one: comforting lies trump reality. You can often see shoddy repairs but as long as the car 'has no comments' that is all that buyers want because they rely on the 'rubber stamp' of not having comments rather than using their own 5 senses. There is nothing wrong with buying a car that might have (shock horror) had a panel or two redone/sprayed in 10-15 years of its existence. There is something very wrong buying a 'comment free' car that has visible drip lines and fish eyes in the paint.

The guys doing this are absolute scum and have holier-than-thou or take-it-or-leave-it attitudes when you engage them as well. When they are approaching you to buy a car they come with hard luck stories about how they need a car urgently or how their dead father or mother had one just like it or how they need a deep discount for some or the other reason, usually because it has such high mileage. 2 days later it's for sale with a different mileage, different history and a very long flowery story to go with this "amazing example".

Just a bit of logic: These are not M cars, they are not special cars, the majority of their lives were pre-COVID/WFH era and we live in South Africa - a country where you generally are doing large mileages if you are in any way employed (and let's face it, if the original owners bought a 125i they weren't exactly in the C-suite working remotely).

Even if it is genuinely at a low mileage there are 'sitting car' problems and age related maintenance that will be necessary. Whatever the case, there must be some reason that a car like the one above has not covered mileage in 11 years. It has the same mileage as my fairly lightly used F90 M5 which is half it's age. It is being used in a similar way to dedicated track and weekend cars (and something like my 4C or a GT4) if the mileage was real.

Guys are telling themselves fairytales with 90s and 2000s BMWs that have these low mileages. At the same time the. market is collectively unaware of what exactly a 200 or 300000km car should look like... they just know they need to be terrified of high mileages, despite them happily buying those same cars with an 'adjusted' 100 or 150000km on them :ROFLMAO: These are the pitfalls of dealing with third party sellers in SA these days. You can literally turn back mileage in 15 minutes even on VERY modern cars.
All of this.

The mileage on this 125i is comparable, slightly higher, than my GT4. For reference that car is solely a toy at this point and sees a work trip ~1-2x a month. Almost totally unbelievable to me. Without seeing documented dealer history on the database of each visit (and even then that can be sorted if you know the right people) I'd be extremely skeptical.

@OP if you *MUST* have an E82, then hunt around, there are a huge number of 120d/125i/135i cars on the roads, they all offer marginally different experiences (fuel efficient/nice noise/fast) depending on the variant and the modding scene for these is immense. I'd likely try to get a lightly fettled 135i seeing as the engine has the highest performance ceiling and enormous aftermarket support.
 

modocrat

Well-known member
Hii, thank you for the detailed reply!

Not sure exactly what he meant by FSH @ BMW, but he says all checks can be done there too.

I figured once he has settled on a somewhat reasonable price I'd get the VIN, then re-negotiate if anything major comes up.

I was also thinking of taking it to a specialist workshop like Garage 808 to do a full inspection before buying.

It's quite scary someone could potentially roll back the kms. Would the workshop be able to pick this up?

Here's a link to the ad: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1095963298830275
One thing for sure, she's a beaut.
 

corvinus

New member
I have an E82 135i LCI with DCT , new tyres all round ,68000km and loads of extras if you interested
I plan to use the E82 as a daily so I'm a bit scared of the long-term maintenance costs / reliability of those 135i's.

Appreciate the offer though :)
 

corvinus

New member
Anyone know a trustworthy person who is selling a 125i (or 120d) though? I've tried asking on the "wanted" forum and Facebook groups. Also looked through autotrader and called a few dealerships. I'm in Cape Town :3
 

PsyCLown

Well-known member
Anyone know a trustworthy person who is selling a 125i (or 120d) though? I've tried asking on the "wanted" forum and Facebook groups. Also looked through autotrader and called a few dealerships. I'm in Cape Town :3
Are you dead set on an E82? What about a F22?

It has the ZF8 speed gearbox and newer interior & infotainment system.
 
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