discussion What would you do

[TurboLlew]

...Now we have such detailed ECU tracking that god only knows what BMW (and all of them really!) can tell about your driving...

Judging from this (and the MANY lines and details after this particular excerpt) and the degree of accuracy of the rest of this data (which I can't share most of LOL), BMW can probably tell the velocity, pressure and duration of the driver's fart at the specific time and location accurate to 16 decimal places along both lattitude and longitude. They will also know whether the driver moved to the side in the seat in order to release said volume of gas, and what change in the orientation of the vehicle took place as a result . It can also tell you how many cm the window or sunroof was open in order to diffuse the noxious fumes. Unfortunately it cannot detect the composition of the meal the driver ate but that will no doubt follow in future models.

Jokes aside, the new cars collect a mindblowing amount of vehicle and driver-specific data.



This data is not stored in the car

This is collected in real time, sent over the air and stored on BMW servers...

So yes we are already there.

As to complexity, it is definitely more complex and more potential for tuning, but also easier than ever to diagnose and repair. There are also many safety measures built into these cars to protect against catastrophic failure (and this is I guess a driver of the 'sceptical' attitude that they take when it comes to big claims these days.). Either way, there are different factors at play between the generations. If anything, it was probably more expensive to fix an S54 than it is to diagnose and fix modern cars which have MANY more parts shared across models. Modded cars in prior generations were more difficult to challenge claims against... but with the ability to collect the data and store it at scale to give them the 'confidence' to challenge a client that comes in and says "the car was idling and suddenly ran badly" when visually there is a piston sticking through the block.

 

[JamesX7 M60i]

So they pitched this to me last time. They will trade the car in and make arrangements at with the bank that my monthly amount stays the same but i sing new lease and buy a new car from them.

There is s huge problem there we bought cash. So they surely have a big issue when it comes to that as there is no monthly payment at a bank as such. (Pay the money back to investment account interest free)

 

[Eust]

To be honest we did not even think Porsche, I was looking at Q8 as I was in an A7 at that stage and really liked the Audi, but SO wanted the BMW. I am a Porsche fan but we ran out of budget when it came to same spec BMW vs Porsche. I had the older Touareg and that was amazing drove it to 330 000km and over looked that one as VW SA don't bring in the R version.

That's exactly it.

Same spec is where the rub is. Hell no would I take a new Cayenne S over a new X5 M50d, and even then, the cayenne is still more expensive.

 

[modocrat]

Demand a full refund for the PO💩 you were sold.

 

[r0ckf1re]

That's exactly it.

Same spec is where the rub is. Hell no would I take a new Cayenne S over a new X5 M50d, and even then, the cayenne is still more expensive.

Until you have to sell it.


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[Eust]

Until you have to sell it.


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Well firstly you would have to fork out the hundreds of grand more to buy the Cayenne S, which is still subpar to a X5 50e, and then hope to maintain that differential and lose less on that middle of the range Cayenne S versus the top of the range X5?

So this base Cayenne, at R2.2M
https://www.autotrader.co.za/car-fo...848?vf=2&db=1&s360=0&so=1&pl=1&pq=0&pr=5&po=1 is going to hold it's value better than a fully loaded R2.195M X5 50e in 5 years - maybe/likely, but not by much, and you would be driving a poverty spec Cayenne for 5 years 😅

Porsche Cayenne is great, but you can't compare value to a BMW X5. You buy the Porsche because you can, not because it's financially better new for new over a 5 year period on average.

A like for like Porsche Cayenne S E-Hybrid to the X5 50e will be close on R2.9M, not R2.2M. That additional R700k that you lay out goes a huge way to offsetting depreciation at the end over a 5 year period. Doesn't even become comparable.

 

[TBP88]

Well firstly you would have to fork out the hundreds of grand more to buy the Cayenne S, which is still subpar to a X5 50e, and then hope to maintain that differential and lose less on that middle of the range Cayenne S versus the top of the range X5?

So this base Cayenne, at R2.2M
https://www.autotrader.co.za/car-fo...848?vf=2&db=1&s360=0&so=1&pl=1&pq=0&pr=5&po=1 is going to hold it's value better than a fully loaded R2.195M X5 50e in 5 years - maybe/likely, but not by much, and you would be driving a poverty spec Cayenne for 5 years 😅

Porsche Cayenne is great, but you can't compare value to a BMW X5. You buy the Porsche because you can, not because it's financially better new for new over a 5 year period on average.

A like for like Porsche Cayenne S E-Hybrid to the X5 50e will be close on R2.9M, not R2.2M. That additional R700k that you lay out goes a huge way to offsetting depreciation at the end over a 5 year period. Doesn't even become comparable.

Yeah, a cayenne is gonna depreciate at a pretty similar pace to an X5 really.

 

[JamesX7 M60i]

Fire Down Below, and then oil slick.

I know its late into this but only found this now again,

https://imgur.com/e3h9sH1

 

[Mytfine]

Brother it seems to me that you are been way to polite about this matter. I have learnt from my wife over the the years that throwing your toys out of the cot gets the desired results everytime. Initially i used to be a bit embarrassed as i was the diplomatic type but i eventually couldnt argue with the results.

 

[JamesX7 M60i]

So update. Received a letter from MIOSA on Thursday morning where they warn BMW SA they have 2 working days to reply or we will have no option but to proceed with this matter without your submission. This is MOISA.

BMW SA reply on Friday giving me 2 options, they repair the burnt car or they trade my car in. They offer me R1.67 mil trade in. Paid R2,06 mil last year April for it. Spoke to a lawyer this weekend and would cost me 60k just to get it to court never mind all the litigation BMW will throw at me. I am not sure how much money I want to throw into legal costs to prove the out of principal this should happen type of ending.

I have not made a decision yet, I will not be able to trust the OG car so much gone wrong with it in the short time I had it.

 

[Sabretooth tiger]

If I were in your shoes I'd take the R1.67m and walk away. not the best outcome considering what you went through just to get to this point but its better than keeping on fighting it.

 

[Spanky]

Tough decision. A R390k knock is nothing to sneeze at.

Perhaps pull various vehicle valuation reports and try haggle them to get the best possible figure?

Good luck, OP.

 

[///M Individual]

Tough decision. A R390k knock is nothing to sneeze at.

Perhaps pull various vehicle valuation reports and try haggle them to get the best possible figure?

Good luck, OP.

Agree. Try to minimize the knock as much as possible. Get a value from WBC too.

Also what do you replace with? Will they buy it out if you chose not to stick with the brand again.

 

[Eust]

I would counter with "I accept the trade in value on the basis that you provide trade in support on the next BMW of R250k".

I am assuming it's not a trade in value but a buy back.

Accepting that knock, along with the inconvenience is a hard pill to swallow though, but I'd just want to wrap this up and not drag it out if it was me. Tough one unless they can broker a good faith deal on another X5.

 

[TurboLlew]

Considering the experience they should be offering at least R1.8M which is basically what you paid less the VAT. You basically got no use out of this vehicle. I am concerned that they still believe they think this can be repaired and that it is not a lemon. In the US this would have been a Lemon Law case and would carry that stigma into its future - here in SA someone is going to end up with this car again!

I agree on trying to get deal support on another car if you choose to go that route (over and above this 'settlement'). There is enough meat in this for everyone to be somewhat happy in the end.

The only way I would look at the repair option is if they replaced EVERYTHING forward of the firewall. Even then, considering the issues that seem to exist with this current X5, I don't know if this is a blessing in disguise as I am not sure it will be a 'keeper' or sought after used as other generations were (resulting in an even bigger knock on value in future)

 

[JamesX7 M60i]

Trust me I am just wanting to get this whole damn thing over with. I am haggling with them for as much support as possible. I want an X5 i really enjoyed it but at the money they giving me its not so easy to get something with similar spec.

@///M Individual i am busy asking people i know in the trade for numbers too.

 

[///M Individual]

Trust me I am just wanting to get this whole damn thing over with. I am haggling with them for as much support as possible. I want an X5 i really enjoyed it but at the money they giving me its not so easy to get something with similar spec.

@///M Individual i am busy asking people i know in the trade for numbers too.

I get you bud. Might have to go for the 30d in the new spec.

 

[MR_Y]

I would counter with "I accept the trade in value on the basis that you provide trade in support on the next BMW of R250k".

I am assuming it's not a trade in value but a buy back.

Accepting that knock, along with the inconvenience is a hard pill to swallow though, but I'd just want to wrap this up and not drag it out if it was me. Tough one unless they can broker a good faith deal on another X5.

Agree with this.

 

[TBP88]

I wouldn't touch any BMW with a ten foot pole if my R2m car exploded and they offered me R400k less than that 1yr later (how many km did you even do in the thing???)

I'd fight for a better buy back, try to get your knock down to around R200k or so and just walk to another brand. This sort of treatment shouldn't be rewarded with another sale...

 

[JamesX7 M60i]

Considering the experience they should be offering at least R1.8M which is basically what you paid less the VAT. You basically got no use out of this vehicle. I am concerned that they still believe they think this can be repaired and that it is not a lemon. In the US this would have been a Lemon Law case and would carry that stigma into its future - here in SA someone is going to end up with this car again!

I agree on trying to get deal support on another car if you choose to go that route (over and above this 'settlement'). There is enough meat in this for everyone to be somewhat happy in the end.

The only way I would look at the repair option is if they replaced EVERYTHING forward of the firewall. Even then, considering the issues that seem to exist with this current X5, I don't know if this is a blessing in disguise as I am not sure it will be a 'keeper' or sought after used as other generations were (resulting in an even bigger knock on value in future)

They have repaired it apparently but there is no word of what they found wrong or what is being replaced and that does not fill me with any confidence. If they cannot tell me what they replaced in the engine bay they can go fly a kite.