discussion Fix keep or scrap?

[BAMBMW]

Hi fellow M mates.

So, advice on my 2018 M140i Shadow edition.

Got involved in a little slide out accident hit nothing other than Street barrier and over a normal height pavement.

No engine damage, no airbags deployed (low speed impact), no chasis problems. Damage mostly included front anesthetics, both coolers, RH control arm, L+R dampers, both lights, no bonnet damage so on. I've attached the detailed parts list.

Given the growth of these special cars especially a Shadow Sapphire black, whats everyone's opinions? Repair or Scrap???

 

[TurboLlew]

That doesn't look feasible to fix... but without seeing the actual pics of the car, the mileage (to include in assessing the value) or the total cost of the above, hard to say. I am guessing insurance either wants to write it off and you're thinking of fixing privately or they have repudiated your claim?

The list above is only the parts... you don't know what the labour will be. You also won't know if there is in fact no chassis damage until you've had it on a jig/machine - especially if the suspension, front and undercarriage items seem that extensive. Are you looking at the chassis legs and making that assumption?

Anything can be fixed ultimately but there isn't enough information for anyone to give you a solid idea. I would take the money and go buy a newer one or try something different (if you really believe it is increasing in value beyond what everything has been given the market LOL).

 

[BAMBMW]

That doesn't look feasible to fix... but without seeing the actual pics of the car, the mileage (to include in assessing the value) or the total cost of the above, hard to say. I am guessing insurance either wants to write it off and you're thinking of fixing privately or they have repudiated your claim?

The list above is only the parts... you don't know what the labour will be. You also won't know if there is in fact no chassis damage until you've had it on a jig/machine - especially if the suspension, front and undercarriage items seem that extensive. Are you looking at the chassis legs and making that assumption?

Anything can be fixed ultimately but there isn't enough information for anyone to give you a solid idea. I would take the money and go buy a newer one or try something different (if you really believe it is increasing in value beyond what everything has been given the market LOL).

Hey man! Ah appreciate the feedback.

So, I have option to either repair, or write off. I Love the car, and damage isn't as extensive as what you'd usually have from an accident.

I have the all in figure including labor and Tax. Comes to R369 000

I'll attach a few images for you to see now now.
In your opinion since under carriage damage is extensive. Reckon theres a much higher possibility that it's got chasis problem of subframe or suspension misalignment?

Repair will be done through full approved BMW repairers through BMW. Given the value of the M140i has gone up +- R85 000 since I bought mine last year. So, to replace it I'd have to budget for more...

 

[BAMBMW]

Hey man! Ah appreciate the feedback.

So, I have option to either repair, or write off. I Love the car, and damage isn't as extensive as what you'd usually have from an accident.

I have the all in figure including labor and Tax. Comes to R369 000

I'll attach a few images for you to see now now.
In your opinion since under carriage damage is extensive. Reckon theres a much higher possibility that it's got chasis problem of subframe or suspension misalignment?

Repair will be done through full approved BMW repairers through BMW. Given the value of the M140i has gone up +- R85 000 since I bought mine last year. So, to replace it I'd have to budget for more...

However, obviously do not want to make a stupid decision, hard problems with the car afterwards or have very little value in it to resell. (Intended on keeping it for a very long time. Atleast 5 years).

 

[BAMBMW]

However, obviously do not want to make a stupid decision, hard problems with the car afterwards or have very little value in it to resell. (Intended on keeping it for a very long time. Atleast 5 years).

Oh and Milage is 50k

 

[Gordvisr]

eina, wheel coming off like that, there might be unseen undercarriage problems, all depend on what you want from the car, to sell it later it wont go up in price after 5 years, especially mileage would be higher then also. not to add, comments would be loaded to this car which will drop he resell value and make it harder to sell.

 

[tman]

Car prices are nuts, but it remains to be seen if they actually sell, nevermind accident damaged.

Cut your losses.

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[TurboLlew]

Write this one off IMHO... even if it means adding in money to get another.

As Gordvisr says, undercarriage, subframe, chassis/unibody, suspension and shock towers... all notoriously difficult to fully evaluate until the car is stripped and on a jig (if they actually put it on a jig if it looks straight enough....) There are numerous people that have had cars repaired and chased down issues for years afterwards, even when repaired at an ARC (with BMW saying in many of these cases that the repair was 'within spec'). I actually don't believe the owners themselves believe in the repair and hence imagine these issues in some cases... a vibration here, an odd feeling there and you will forever be doubting whether it was repaired properly even if it is something else or wear and tear down the road.

It isn't as dramatic looking and you don't have the interior issues to deal with vs. a 'more common' airbag popping incident, but the damage is still fairly extensive.

That 85K jump in asking price is not much IMHO and probably 'behind' the rates of increase seen in other cars. There are cars that have doubled in value in the past 12 months for reference. The value of this particular car is only going one way and that is down I'm afraid. It is easier for us to tell you this since we are not emotionally attached to the car. A R369K comment (and it will be visible in future with access to the repair databases being opened up) is not an easy thing to explain to a potential new buyer and this isn't a 1M or CSL where it is rare enough that it MIGHT still potentially be worth repairing even with a fairly large bill on record.

Tman's comment also holds true: we don't know what they sell for in reality or how long that takes to shift them. Make no mistake they ARE definitely insane, but eg: my wife is shopping for her W205 replacement now and there are 6 figure discounts being thrown into deals to shift cars from some brands... I also negotiated a significant discount on my F90 in December already pre-interest rate hike and petrol price increases...

 

[BAMBMW]

Partial problem...every single M140i that's come to the market since my little incident has sold, and sold for what they were marketed for. Followed and kept in touch with all of them.

One comes to the market and is gone within 2 days, 5 days max. These are definitely sought-after as know the m140 was to be. One of the greater reasons besides falling in love with the car, for getting it. However, as mentioned I don't want future problems with the car, and even though I don't plan on getting rid of it for quite a couple years.


Appreciate the comments and interaction guys

 

[Salt]

I've been keeping an eye on the M140i's for the past 3 to 4 months. There are plenty on there that have been there for a while now. Prices have certainly gone up, but that said...there has been about 20 or so available at any time...recently that number has jumper to over 30 consistently now for a few weeks. I'm not sure what has driven up the amount of 140's available but there is a reason. I don't believe prices are going to stay as high as they are and interest rates are on the up. The specific one below has been on Autotrader for months now. Can't say for certain it's still available but have to assume so since it's still there but one must call to be sure. My feeling is the bubble is going to pop...newer and higher spec interior cars are being released including the new 2 series. Nothing wrong with the M140i...solid car but the price is not gonna last I think. If the insurance is willing to fix the car and BMW approves, have it fixed especially if you're planning on keeping the car for 5 years. AS LONG AS IT'S DONE RIGHT...AND BMW APPROVES. I dont wana see a dodgy fixed car being sold to someone else. BMW won't honor a plan on a car if it's fixed poorly or there are structural issues imo. So if it can be done right, why not.

BMW 1 Series M140i 5-Door Sports-Auto for sale in Sandton - ID: 26057530

Used 2018 BMW 1 Series M140i 5-Door Sports-Auto For Sale - R 599 995 - ID: 26057530

www.autotrader.co.za

 

[///M Individual]

Due to the accident damage and such a huge repair bill the car will never hold value bud.

I am surprised that insurance is even prepared to spend R369k to repair it. What is the sum insured on the vehicle?

If you were planning to keep the car for another 10 or more years and you would be fine knowing that the car will never be 100% then it may be worth it but keeping it based on it increasing in value...not gonna happen.

My advice accept the write off and move on

 

[KarshS]

Scrap it.... Move on.... Even if its repaired 99% perfect (Which is very difficult especially at a "BMW Approved Center") it wont be worth as much as one that was not in an accident.
If i was a potential buyer and knew it was in a prang of this nature i would skip right passed it and look for another one. Even if this was 200k cheaper.

Just my 2 cents...

 

[BAMBMW]

Due to the accident damage and such a huge repair bill the car will never hold value bud.

I am surprised that insurance is even prepared to spend R369k to repair it. What is the sum insured on the vehicle?

If you were planning to keep the car for another 10 or more years and you would be fine knowing that the car will never be 100% then it may be worth it but keeping it based on it increasing in value...not gonna happen.

My advice accept the write off and move on

With you here man. Definitely 1st option and looking like the option now

 

[BAMBMW]

I've been keeping an eye on the M140i's for the past 3 to 4 months. There are plenty on there that have been there for a while now. Prices have certainly gone up, but that said...there has been about 20 or so available at any time...recently that number has jumper to over 30 consistently now for a few weeks. I'm not sure what has driven up the amount of 140's available but there is a reason. I don't believe prices are going to stay as high as they are and interest rates are on the up. The specific one below has been on Autotrader for months now. Can't say for certain it's still available but have to assume so since it's still there but one must call to be sure. My feeling is the bubble is going to pop...newer and higher spec interior cars are being released including the new 2 series. Nothing wrong with the M140i...solid car but the price is not gonna last I think. If the insurance is willing to fix the car and BMW approves, have it fixed especially if you're planning on keeping the car for 5 years. AS LONG AS IT'S DONE RIGHT...AND BMW APPROVES. I dont wana see a dodgy fixed car being sold to someone else. BMW won't honor a plan on a car if it's fixed poorly or there are structural issues imo. So if it can be done right, why not.

BMW 1 Series M140i 5-Door Sports-Auto for sale in Sandton - ID: 26057530

Used 2018 BMW 1 Series M140i 5-Door Sports-Auto For Sale - R 599 995 - ID: 26057530

www.autotrader.co.za

Hey man, totally qith you here...

Also seen this sitting for awhile. I know why after knowing these cars back to front. Reason this is sitting is because it's a base model asking Shadow edition price so it has sat. But I have personally through my BMW contacts witnesses 5 m140s that went to market all from R649 000 upto R699 000 that sold and sold fast, 3 of them weren't even shadow editions and limited extras.

The 140i has one of the lowest amount of 'M' models for sale in the market. As you said there are +-33 where if you look at the M2, M3, M4 categories there's well over 50-60 for sale there. Not as many were produced either.

Agreed that there's gonna be replacements but what's making this car so lucrative is the fact that it was said to be the very last straight 6, rear wheel 3L 1 series. That and the mere fact that if you've driven one of these as a BMW enthusiast you will understand why it grabs ahold of you and just how unique they are. Watched many guys jump from and M3 and M2 to the M140i. Sheer drivers car. That's why I loved it..

Agreed it's hard to see the value of these rise any higher I guess there's just know way we can know. But to know that the value from when I bought to now has gone over R100 000 is quite something. As for future value I guess you can't say, even if the prediction was that they would be collectors (full Shadow with extras and low milage)

I want to keep mine so badly but now given recent petrol prices, everything else will go up again too. Alot to consider here so I'm a little torn.

As for repair, it is a BMW ARC known to be the best accident repaired shop for BMW so I have faith in that, and the reinstatement of the maintenance plan. Have had extensive and thorough conversations with the workshop manager about it. So it'll be completely all new replaced parts, no panel beating and short cuts because of BMW's quality system and honor to their cars on the road. They won't pass anything to roadworthy if anything on the vehicle doesn't fit the maximum measure requirements.

 

[individj]

i would write that off no questions not even a hesitation.

 

[b3rg]

Write it off!!!

Not worth the potential future issues etc

 

[NBN]

Hey man, totally qith you here...

Also seen this sitting for awhile. I know why after knowing these cars back to front. Reason this is sitting is because it's a base model asking Shadow edition price so it has sat. But I have personally through my BMW contacts witnesses 5 m140s that went to market all from R649 000 upto R699 000 that sold and sold fast, 3 of them weren't even shadow editions and limited extras.

The 140i has one of the lowest amount of 'M' models for sale in the market. As you said there are +-33 where if you look at the M2, M3, M4 categories there's well over 50-60 for sale there. Not as many were produced either.

Agreed that there's gonna be replacements but what's making this car so lucrative is the fact that it was said to be the very last straight 6, rear wheel 3L 1 series. That and the mere fact that if you've driven one of these as a BMW enthusiast you will understand why it grabs ahold of you and just how unique they are. Watched many guys jump from and M3 and M2 to the M140i. Sheer drivers car. That's why I loved it..

Agreed it's hard to see the value of these rise any higher I guess there's just know way we can know. But to know that the value from when I bought to now has gone over R100 000 is quite something. As for future value I guess you can't say, even if the prediction was that they would be collectors (full Shadow with extras and low milage)

I want to keep mine so badly but now given recent petrol prices, everything else will go up again too. Alot to consider here so I'm a little torn.

As for repair, it is a BMW ARC known to be the best accident repaired shop for BMW so I have faith in that, and the reinstatement of the maintenance plan. Have had extensive and thorough conversations with the workshop manager about it. So it'll be completely all new replaced parts, no panel beating and short cuts because of BMW's quality system and honor to their cars on the road. They won't pass anything to roadworthy if anything on the vehicle doesn't fit the maximum measure requirements.

I can imagine that the car has sentimental value and that it being the "shadow edition" which if memory serves me correct was just some cosmetic changes . Do you really want to live with a car that has a R400k comment on it? Not only will it bite you now but rest assured, when you do decide to ever sell this car with that comment, you will struggle to obtain the value you think its worth especially when compared to cars similarly priced but with less spec.

Take the money, get into another 140 if that's where your heart is at.

 

[///M Individual]

Hey man, totally qith you here...

Also seen this sitting for awhile. I know why after knowing these cars back to front. Reason this is sitting is because it's a base model asking Shadow edition price so it has sat. But I have personally through my BMW contacts witnesses 5 m140s that went to market all from R649 000 upto R699 000 that sold and sold fast, 3 of them weren't even shadow editions and limited extras.

The 140i has one of the lowest amount of 'M' models for sale in the market. As you said there are +-33 where if you look at the M2, M3, M4 categories there's well over 50-60 for sale there. Not as many were produced either.

Agreed that there's gonna be replacements but what's making this car so lucrative is the fact that it was said to be the very last straight 6, rear wheel 3L 1 series. That and the mere fact that if you've driven one of these as a BMW enthusiast you will understand why it grabs ahold of you and just how unique they are. Watched many guys jump from and M3 and M2 to the M140i. Sheer drivers car. That's why I loved it..

Agreed it's hard to see the value of these rise any higher I guess there's just know way we can know. But to know that the value from when I bought to now has gone over R100 000 is quite something. As for future value I guess you can't say, even if the prediction was that they would be collectors (full Shadow with extras and low milage)

I want to keep mine so badly but now given recent petrol prices, everything else will go up again too. Alot to consider here so I'm a little torn.

As for repair, it is a BMW ARC known to be the best accident repaired shop for BMW so I have faith in that, and the reinstatement of the maintenance plan. Have had extensive and thorough conversations with the workshop manager about it. So it'll be completely all new replaced parts, no panel beating and short cuts because of BMW's quality system and honor to their cars on the road. They won't pass anything to roadworthy if anything on the vehicle doesn't fit the maximum measure requirements.

Thing is this is not a "little" slide out as you initially described. It is a major accident considering the R369k repair bill. As mentioned above even BMW ARC can't get certain things right and do not let BMW's quality system give you any sort of reassurance. There have been cases of cars with shoddy repairs been approved by BMW. Also considering an ARC is doing it, BMW will approve it either way even if the work is substandard.

 

[KarshS]

The shadow edition was just the run out of the same exact car with a few extras as standard. Apart from the tinted headlights and tailights its just another 140i. Someone in the market for a 140i is in it for the B58. Which is exactly the same across all 140i models. This wont be a collectors item if thats whats keeping you from writing it off, nor will the price go higher than what it is. The interest rates are going back to norm and the used car market will eventually stabilize.

BMW ARC is not what you think. The times i have used them it was a shit show when it came to quality of workmanship forgetting the other issues i have had with them. End of the day the hard truth has been said, if you feel that you need to fix this and keep for 20 to 30 years with the hope it might be a collectable is up to you.

 

[Spanky]

Lol - this statement:

Got involved in a little slide out accident hit nothing other than Street barrier and over a normal height pavement.

and this statement:

I have the all in figure including labor and Tax. Comes to R369 000

couldn't contradict each other more

Let her go, man. Car will never be the same.