To chip or not to chip

Bemused

New member
Hi guys, my X5 4,4 refers. I have looked and thought and decided that I must keep my X5. It's tooooo nice to part with but, now comes the question. I decatted my 325 a while back and now I want to do the same to the X5. I spoke to powerflo and the guy there is saying that it is the right thing to do but that at the same time, they should fit a Dastek Unichip and set it all up propely and that I will then have an even nicer drive, performance wise, and if I drive respectably, that I'll also enjoy better consumption figures.
So, what are the thoughts about that here on the forum. Yes?, No? rubbish?, good stuff?
Let me know if you think I should do it. Quoted price is around R3500 for the whole job. That is decatting and the chip including programming.
 

Pravesh

New member
If you have no motorplan issues go for it,decatting makes a huge difference,I prefer plug and play...:thumbs:
 

msm

Well-known member
Bemused said:
Quoted price is around R3500 for the whole job. That is decatting and the chip including programming.

Price is very good :thumbs: Just check if this is for both sets of cats - I assume the 4.4 also has cats in the headers like some of the other cars.

Just out of curiousity, what is your current mileage?
 
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Rolf

Guest
Will match price with DECAT, OBD remap AND rear silencer mod!

As you personally have met with me, you know who I am and can always come back if there is any problem!
 

Twinz

Forum - Support
Staff member
I would have it chipped but leave the cats in place. A question i always asked myself: what is your goal with the X5. Performance wise there is only some things you can do. To extract big power, the cats and a tune are not going to achieve much. So, whats your goal with it.

My suggestion is a good tune and call it a day. Fuel consumption will improve.
 
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Rolf

Guest
Sorry to oppose here Charles..... they way we do it it is all "fine tuned" to an extend that works hand in hand with one another.....
YUPP, Top notch would be stainless steel CATs installed but at a price no one wants to affort!

Anyways... I can only suggest and our friend Bemused will have to make up his mind!
 

Bemused

New member
msm said:
Bemused said:
Quoted price is around R3500 for the whole job. That is decatting and the chip including programming.

Price is very good :thumbs: Just check if this is for both sets of cats - I assume the 4.4 also has cats in the headers like some of the other cars.

Just out of curiousity, what is your current mileage?

Current mileage is 130,000 Kms. I have had a cursory look and as far as I'm aware, there are only two cats up front just before the point where the exhaust connects to the manifolds. And that is one of the things that powerflo wants to have a good look at on Monday. Exactly where the cats are and where the lamda sensors are mounted, etc,etc.
Thanks for the responses so far. Interesting to note that it seems no-one here has actually had any experience of an actual chip fitted to their car. I thought that they were quite popular. Lets see what extra info I can find.
 
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Rolf

Guest
Bemused said:
...... interesting to note that it seems no-one here has actually had any experience of an actual chip fitted to their car. .....

who claims that??? :nonono:
 

netercol

New member
comment withdrawn.

seems the phrase "To chip or not to chip" is not an invitation to to give opinions for or against chipping.

 
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Rolf

Guest
OK I pull out of this discussion and withdraw my offer!

We are back to the henn and egg story
 

Twinz

Forum - Support
Staff member
Bemused said:
Thanks for the responses so far. Interesting to note that it seems no-one here has actually had any experience of an actual chip fitted to their car. I thought that they were quite popular. Lets see what extra info I can find.

Bemused, you must be joking with this statement...right?

Let me ask you a simple question and try and give me a straight answer and i will tell you how far my "experience" go with "chipped" cars.

Question: what is your goal with the X5?
 

moranor@axis

///Member
Official Advertiser
lol plenty people have tuned their cars on the forum but i don think there is anyone who has done a X5 4,4 so no one can really comment about if tis worth it or not...

some NA car gain little from a tune but there are some that really come alive after... yes the gains look dismal compared to FI but i would not say there is no point in doing it especially if there are other exhaust and intake mods done...

the most important thing is to find a good tuner not only will they do a good job but they will be able to advise you on what mods will work best and what will give you little gain...

i dont know who to recommend for your car :(
 

Sankekur

///Member
Its a V8, you HAVE to do an exhaust in the very least.

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ChrisBrand

Staff - Legal
Staff member
No experience with chip? Bud i have a decat and chip in my N/A car. So when your ready to learn more let us know
 

Bemused

New member
Ok, here is how this idea came to me in the first place.
On my 325, it started to feel very lazy about revving freely and I took it to the agents and my favourite indie. No-one could come up with a definitive answer but the indie suggested taking out the cats and he would then reset the ECU. So, thats what I did. He then reset the ECU, whatever that does, and checked fuel/air mixtures and since then, the engine seems to rev up and down very freely and easily and according to the OBC and my spreadshheet my fuel consumption has improved as well.
On my X5 the OBC tells me that my consumption is averaging around 14,7 L/100Km but my spreadsheet tells me that I'm getting around 25,3 ltrs/100kms.
According to the internet forums the average should be around the 15 l/100 km mark. So, back to the agents and my indie and again no-one can find anything wrong. However, opinions from various quarters reckon that the answer is to decat and remap or chip.
The theory is that the catylitic convertors do restrict the gas flow from day one. It's part and parcel of the way they work. After 100,000 K's though, there is a number of people that argue that the cats then become more restrictive and produce a negative affect on the engine performance. So, back to the theories. If you can improve the volumetric efficiency by getting the airflow through the exhaust to flow more freely, then you can adjust the fuel/air mixture going into the combustion chamber as well, (as the air flow will also improve on the inlet side when the exhaust side is improved) and the overall effect should then be an improvement in engine efficiency compared to what was. And naturally, that would mean an improvement in fuel consumption as well.
With regards to my comment about no-one here having done a chip on their vehicle. That is purely the impression I get from the all the responses over here. So I'm not stating it as a fact that no-one has chipped there car, it is just the impression that I have received.
On the 4x4 forum there are a fair number of people who say they have chipped their vehicles and are very happy with the results to date. Again, if memory serves me correctly, most of those people chipped their turbo charged diesel. I also get the impression that normally aspirated engines do not gain that much with a chip. So the guys that are suggesting remapping seem to have a valid argument. From what I can gather, that is.
So, my prime objective is to improve engine efficiency and thus fuel consumption and hopefully get the figure back to around 15 or even 17 Ltr/100 Km.
And yes, I have heard the argument that if you want fuel economy get a small engined petrol or diesel powered car. I'm just greedy. I want my V8 and a bit better consumption than 25 ltr/100 Km as well.
And yes I know that it's tough at the top but, eish, it's so crowded at the bottom. :)
 

Seether

New member
Bemused said:
Ok, here is how this idea came to me in the first place...................................................................................................................it's so crowded at the bottom. :)

Skimmed through your last post.

There are a lot of very knowledgeable people on this forum and making generalised comments like you did will just alienate you from them and you won't get the very informative answers you require.

In my opinion, when you buy a V8, fuel consumption is not really an issue, especially when you buy an X5 (heavy vehicle) V8. If it was, you shouldnt have bought one in the first place.

I have learnt so much from the fanatics on here since joining. Engage your BS filter and follow those that offer good advice

:thumbs:
 

moranor@axis

///Member
Official Advertiser
in my opinion all cats must die :fencelook:

the remap or chip debate is pointless you need to find a good tuner that is way more important than what method he uses...
 

Bemused

New member
OK, so how do I delete this thread.
I simply was looking at some opinions and not after any definitive answers. If I have offended some members because of some generalized comments, that was unintentional.
As for Seether's response I think your attitude is uncalled for. In my opinion, trying to get any powerplant to operate optimally is a good thing to aim for. If an engine is not, or is perceived to not be running properly, then to ask for any opinion is surely acceptable. How does one sift BS from the forum? I presume anyone responding is giving an opinion and surely they are all valid. After all, everyone is entitled to their opinion. And I, certainly, will make up my own mind at the end of the day as to which advice I will follow.
Those that think I'm asking for an opinion on a stupid topic are entitled to not respond at all if that's how they feel. And I can assure everyone here that my comments are not intended in any way to offend anyone. If the majority of members feel that I am an unworthy entrant here then the moderators can contact me and I will happily withdraw permanently.
 
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