RWD vs AWD vs FWD - One person's perspective

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Josh-ZN

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"Everyone has their own preference when it comes to drive-train layout. There are those who want the organic feel of a RWD car, those who prefer the every day grip of AWD, and even a few misguided souls that scream “FWD FTW!” at the top of their lungs. I only kid about the misguided souls bit, but you get the point.

When you boil them down to their basics though, you find that they all have their inherent advantages and disadvantages and they all serve their purpose, just by different means.

We're going to stick to front engine for these scenarios as it gets murky when you consider mid and rear engine.

Let's get FWD out of the way, as it's the easiest to dissect. FWD was originally designed as a means to reduce cost, improve fuel economy, and increase the space available in the cabin of the car. But most of us don't care about all that. In a racing application, it has some advantages. They typically have slightly less drive-train loss, as there is no drive shaft needed from the transmission to a rear differential. It is also slightly lighter as a result of this same fact. As a disadvantage, you're using the same wheels to propel the car as you are to turn. This means that it's difficult to feed more power and increase speed during a turn without resulting in understeer.

AWD. It's made some major advancements in the last 10 years, but lets cover the basics. AWD has a couple disadvantages. It weighs the most of the three layouts and has the most drive-train loss. It can also negatively impact the balance of the car in regard to front vs. rear weight distribution. On the track, a basic AWD system can apply power earlier out of a turn then the other formats, but because the front wheels are still supplying power and trying to turn, understeer can result. Car makers have combated this lately with trick and techy differentials and electronics that modulate power to the right wheels as the car goes through and accelerates out of a corner. So much so that the car is sometimes virtually RWD for a few moments (sometimes 3wd too).

RWD. Okay, I'll say it, my personal favorite. I've owned all three from 150hp, up to 400+hp. It has a certain feel to it the others can't replicate, idk. But ok ok ok, facts! Rwd has more drive-train loss than FWD, but less than AWD. It's also in-between, in regard to weight. With RWD, it's also much easier to create a car with neutral balance, where weight distribution is an even 50%. RWD can also apply power around a turn without much trouble, but can get tail happy towards the end if the car's power outweighs its grip limits. With the right tires and enough aero, this issue is virtually non existant except on a very tight course.

So let's play out a scenario. Sorry FWD, but you're going to sit out on this one.

We have in our possession, two identical cars. Same strong down-force, same engine, and same weight without its drivetrain (tranny, axles, diffs, half shafts, etc). But one is AWD and the other RWD. The result? One car will weigh a little more and make a little less at the wheels, the AWD car. This means, on a straight, the RWD will slowly edge out the AWD. But the AWD car has great grip, which gives it the advantage around tight corners. One would imagine that on a well rounded course that the two cars would be even. The AWD completely taking the hairpins, the RWD even or quicker around wide sweeping turns, and the RWD edging ahead on long straights. In the end, they would likely be dead even, or at least extremely entertaining to watch.

So there's my extremely abridged and abbreviated take on the three. I'd go on rambling, but I figure I've already either bored or knotted the panties of anyone who's bothered to read all this.

I'd be interested in seeing what others think of the three layouts. What's YOUR favorite?"
 
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wikk3d88

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one only has to look at the BTCC, for example, to see what FWD cars are capable of... even their times at the nurburgring are impressive
 
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Mike1

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My preference is small FWD cars (yes I know the Smart is RWD).

For me they are predictable, easy to control, easy to have a mammoth amount of fun in and pretty much most of the cars I enjoy driving like the Fiat 500, GTI, MINI's etc are front wheel drive.

I struggle to deal with RWD, from a lack of driving experience point of view as I have never had the chance to just let loose and see how a RWD reacts when it runs out of grip etc.

Mike
 
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Josh-ZN

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MiniMike19 said:
My preference is small FWD cars (yes I know the Smart is RWD).

For me they are predictable, easy to control, easy to have a mammoth amount of fun in and pretty much most of the cars I enjoy driving like the Fiat 500, GTI, MINI's etc are front wheel drive.

I struggle to deal with RWD, from a lack of driving experience point of view as I have never had the chance to just let loose and see how a RWD reacts when it runs out of grip etc.

Mike

+1 my thoughts exactly. i am so used to awd and fwd. in my 135i i am always so very cautious around corners especially in the wet that even an Atos will overtake me :roflol:

its not only the lack of experience. even if we had the experience, who in their right mind goes sideways around corners on the road?

just wanted to add, the bmw is by far the best driving experience out of all the cars i have driven.
 

EwMPS

Member
somebody posted a clip yesterday of a RS3 vs. 1M around a track, the 1M came out on top and looked a lot more fun to drive around the track than the RS3..power pretty much identical, times were very close though..

I owned a strong FWD, and must say I won't ever go back...
 
I have only owned FWD and RWD, only on my second RWD, owned a FWD in between the Beemers, all I can say, RWD is the best driving experience ever, and it actually feels safer to drive around bends.
 

Twinz

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Staff member
Personally, I am comfortable with both. I have some FWDs at home. Drove a FWD Mercedes 180CDi on the Nurburgring and i was surprised at its ability to hold corners. It requires a different approach in the bends but it performed very competently.

However, I find RWD just alot more fun. :joy:
 

Rayzor

Well-known member
RWD is a def win for me, i too like many owned allot of FWD cars, but i grew up driving RWD, i actually find them safer. torque-steer is a btch that i dont want to go back to. :rollsmile:
 

moranor@axis

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dont forget that regulation controls how competitive a car in in motorsport... set boost levels, intake restrictors and ballast is used to control faster cars and keep the pack even...

High end motorsport is completely dominated by Rwd and 4wd because at that level physics is against Fwd and it cant be fixed :rollsmile:
 

moranor@axis

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you guys are joking right :fencelook:

sure Fwd is easy to control because you only have to think about what the front wheels are doing... but when its wet out is when i have the most fun :rollsmile:

I run on skinny 205 tires pretty much go sideways everywhere... sure it took a little adjustment and i had to kill some bad habits when i moved over from Fwd... can still drive a Fwd fast, but i find it rather annoying and boring now...
 

MikeR

Well-known member
:fencelook: 6 of one half a dozen of the other.
although I dont think my Zed would be a good FWD
 

zaleonardz

Well-known member
Interesting question and got me pondering...

I did a quick recon, I have owned 7 FWD, 1 AWD, and 8 RWD's...

I started driving FWD's in various power levels. Originally I was shit scared to do RWD as my mom once lost control of her E28 in the wet.

I then bought an AWD, which I will come to in a second.

The AWD was replaced by a high torque diesel merc, and since then I have been hooked, the more power on the rear wheels the better. Never lost it in the wet, never suffered from oversteer, unless intended.

I will never however drive an AWD again however, simply because its boring....

Had a Subaru , worked to hell, and quite frankly, the most unexciting car I ever owned, simply because that suspension was so good, to get any kind of feedback out of it, you have to be at the limit, and you cannot be at the limit all the time....

Therefore, RWD FTMFW...
 

Carbon

///Member
Josh-ZN said:
who in their right mind goes sideways around corners on the road?

I might not be in my right mind, but I certainly do, even in my FWD cars...

zaleonardz@DentDoctor said:
Therefore, RWD FTMFW...

Now this is a post worth quoting!

And, they didn't even discuss the fact that sending power through the front wheels numbs the steering and torque steer:yuck:

BTW, RWD cars in BTCC carry a weight penalty.
 

Pfw28

New member
The great debate!:rollsmile:

For me personally, RWD is the way to go, so much more fun, and challenging also, rewarding good technique and letting you know when you got it wrong. A controlled power slide is still the fastest way to corner!!

FWD is great in everyday conditions, and much easier in difficult conditions, but requires a totally different approach to drive fast.

AWD is for those that are too lazy to work at their driving, or travel on difficult surfaces frequently.

In the end, it's about personal preference, each to his/her own.:=):
 

CocoPops

Honorary ///Member
Lol the great debate indeed.. not much of a debate tho..

If its not rwd its wrong wheel drive..

haha that said.. I have a Renault Megane R26 and it is a Mighty good FWD car.. that car grips on the road unbelievably.. and I mean unbelievably.. tested at over 1G lateral grip.. it takes a different approach to drive fast and once you know it, its pretty easy to go fast.. very fast.. around corners.

However fwd for me still lacks that ultimate thrill - excitement - knowing the back end might step out at any time.. its that extra bit that keeps you on your toes.. and granted you need ab ag full of talent to extract the most from rear wheel drive.. its still ultimately the most rewarding..
 

LPM320

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I have owned 12 cars in total, the first 4 were FWD, after my first taste of RWD I was hooked. It doesn help that all my rear wheel drive cars to come thereafter have all been BMW's :rollsmile: So my opinions are limited to FWD and RWD....

FWD has made marked improvements in the handling department over the years to the point where joe soap would be hard pressed to tell the difference (megane F1, Golf 5/6 gti, focus st, etc), but ultimately to an enthusiast, or somebody who regularly pushes their car to the limits, it will be different. For 80% of the car buying public, FWD will be all they will ever need...

A RWD car will always be better handling than a SIMILAR FWD car due to the fact that the inherent balance is far superior, and when things go wrong, and you are fairly compotent, you actually have 2 points of the car with which to correct, where as with a FWD you are at the mercy of physics and luck and the front wheels only. I have beaten many faster hot hatches on many occasions simply because there were bends in the road...

That said and done I have had a couple of mishaps over the years, but you learn and move on, expensive advanced driving lessons :flyfun: Trying to get to grips with RWD dynamics will eventually make a real driver out of you and you are far more in tune with your car.

There is no FWD drive out there that can match a similar RWD for ultimate driver involvement and entertainment. Anybody who says otherwise is just not driving hard enough....

RWD FTMFW.....
 

netercol

New member
lol.. i personally prefer rwd.. once owned a turbocharged ford XR3 (remember those? :) my first turbo effort ) can you spell torque steer, aka changing lanes with the use of throttle.. cured me for life..

:roflol:
 
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