Ppk ordered... An other.. Repost

[BMW135I]

Hi guys

I deleted the other post by mistake, using iPhone instead of edit. Hit delete

Anyway, @ josh and Dominic, hope you are my replies.

If not the rationale around going with ppk1, is that the hardware was a waste of another 18k or something stupid. The ppk 1 gives the exact same amount of power didn't find it nexessary for the hardware and the fact that they sell it separately gives indication of this. Lots of guys in the US, are happy with the ppk 1, so will see.

Maybe the car will need the hardware for cooling but think I for now it should be okay. The guys at BMW say I should get a bit more than the standard gain because of the exhaust, and maybe end up around 245kw, don't know how true that is?

It is my understanding that they change the control unit which theoretically should give me a good base when going aftermarket at which time perhaps then the hardware will be needed. Someone else said they just supply codes? Do you guys maybe have any insight to this?


On another note, do I have to purchase carbon parts from BMW or can I get aftermarket? I am really keen on getting the icarbon lip and a boot spoiler?


Just one last thing, I have heard some guys talk about the akrapoviv dps, are they BMW approved Abd where can I get it from? My thoughts is if I can have the ppk, pe, and dps a (and maybe the hardware) all approved by BMW then the aftermarket choice will have to be piggy back which I can removed which for me all the mods together should give me some decent power Abd then the piggy back can be removed when needed.

 

[Twinz]

I am trying really hard to understand your post and i do want to be helpful..

1. Explain your understanding of PPK or how bmw explained it to you.

2. The day that BMW approves catless downpipes will be the day i buy an NA M3.

3. PPK does not include the exhaust...The exhaust is another 11gran extra

4. PPK consists of bigger radiator & fan, scoops & connectors, new DME and a software tune to bring the hardware together with an increase of about 2/3psi.

5. The logs i have seen of PPK cars at the coast dont boost more than 11psi but their ait's under high boost with the Jb4 is fantastic and consistent...the cooling hardware definitely works.

 

[BMW135I]

I am trying really hard to understand your post and i do want to be helpful..

Lol... Yes it is a bit weird because I deleted the other one by mistake.

1. Explain your understanding of PPK or how bmw explained it to you.

There are 2 versions, ppk1 which is just software and ppk2 which is software and the hardware. There are some other posts on ts forum about as well, BMW also have it on the various websites. In the USA, ppk 1 goes for $800 and here it 14.3k, ppk 2 with the hardware goes for arnd $1500 and here around 30k. The one that I have ordered is ppk1, which is the same gains as ppk2 excluding the cooling. What confused me as well, was that one dealer said thst BMW just provide the codes and it gets loaded and you receive a envlope with the codes as well. another one said they supply a new control unit. Cut a long story short, I purchased it the ppk1 from a dealer who has done the ppk1 on a few cars and ordered it against my vin, then made sure that it is all compatible etc and made them put it in writing, i think for some versions of the 35, there are diffeent approaches. The reason for doing this is that, it is clear on the BMW USA website but on zar it only talks about "power kit". After reading the site again to post you the link, I see they talk abut model years, etc..

2. The day that BMW approves catless downpipes will be the day i buy an NA M3.

Lol... Just asking, somebody told me that.

3. PPK does not include the exhaust...The exhaust is another 11gran extra

Yes, I have the exhaust, bought it about 3 months back.

4. PPK consists of bigger radiator & fan, scoops & connectors, new DME and a software tune to bring the hardware together with an increase of about 2/3psi.

Yes, ppk2.

Check out

Ppk 1

http://www.shopbmwusa.com/ProductDetail.aspx?CategoryType=Accessories&ProductId=3513&perf=true

Ppk2

http://www.shopbmwusa.com/ProductDetail.aspx?CategoryType=Accessories&ProductId=2748&perf=true

5. The logs i have seen of PPK cars at the coast dont boost more than 11psi but their ait's under high boost with the Jb4 is fantastic and consistent...the cooling hardware definitely works.

What is aits?

I am no

 

[M3_devil]

Ait's. air intake temperature.

 

[moranor@axis]

14k is alot to spend to get 15kw wish BMWSA offered this at a more sensible price like the US :nonono:

 

[BMW135I]

14k is alot to spend to get 15kw wish BMWSA offered this at a more sensible price like the US :nonono:

Completely agree. You must check the stuff from. BMW USA... Even the site is awesome.

 

[moranor@axis]

yip its typical SA style screw the customer for all they have :yuck: Im sure alot more people would buy if the price was better...

Is is possible to upgrade to PPK2 if you feel you need to cooling mods after you have fitted PPK1 without paying full price for PPK2?

 

[BMW135I]

yip its typical SA style screw the customer for all they have :yuck: Im sure alot more people would buy if the price was better...

Is is possible to upgrade to PPK2 if you feel you need to cooling mods after you have fitted PPK1 without paying full price for PPK2?
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They would have a substantially bigger customer baser of they thought that way. The other thing that the Americans do well is that have loyalty programs at the dealerships... Discounts all the time. Here, demand must be slightly down then they will offer you something, I was offered about a 30k discount for a m135i f20 coz the salesmen said business not great.

Yes you can, the ppk 2 is basically like the 135is or 335is. It took me a while to actually get it all figured becaseu all they do is say... 30 or 34k and don't have product knowledge. Anyway

 

[moranor@axis]

I think you may want those cooling mods after thats why i ask... heatsoak is a bastaardo

 

[Sherwin@xcede]

The PPK is well worth it on an N55. Makes a big difference.

 

[BMW135I]

I think you may want those cooling mods after thats why i ask... heatsoak is a bastaardo

Yip, possibly. Will see how it goes...going overseas soon so won't really get to test it properly but looking forward to a bit of extra power

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@twinz or sherwin

Guys, with me doing the ppk first will it help in terms of a better base for aftermarket?

So for instance, let's say a completely stock 35 goes for 225kw to 260kw with aftermarket software, will it mean that because I will be on let's say 240 as the base before aftermarket then with the aftermarket apply the same kw principle, would thst mean in that in will increase by the same margin? These off course are just numbers I am saying, but the concept? What do you guys think?

 

[Twinz]

The PPK provides a very good base. Go for it if you have the moola. Yes, you can build on that performance base.

Here is the thing though. The power increase on a stock x35 (not 1M) is so small; that in the case of the JB4 piggybacking on it; the Jb4 treats the PPK map as a stock map. :=): But you get the cooling benefits...

 

[BMW135I]

The PPK provides a very good base. Go for it if you have the moola. Yes, you can build on that performance base.

Here is the thing though. The power increase on a stock x35 (not 1M) is so small; that in the case of the JB4 piggybacking on it; the Jb4 treats the PPK map as a stock map. :=): But you get the cooling benefits...

I have ordered it, should get it shortly.

That's what I am saying, so if my stock (map) is now lets 15kw more than a conpletely standard 35, does that mean I will get more than a standard 35 when installing lets say a jb?

X35 with ppk = 240kw
X35 standard = 225kw
X35 standard with jb = 260kw
X35 with ppk then jb = 260kw or Will it be more??

I am just quoting numbers for understanding of the concept not quoting actual tuning figures.

 

[SP33DYV]

AFAIK the Akrapovic down pipes are M/P friendly for the f10 M5 and the 1M. As long as you buy them from a BMW dealer and have them fitted at a BMW dealer. But even the PPK is cheap compared to these down pipes.

Unless Jannie and Jacques at Auto Bavaria Midrand is lying to me. :dunno:

 

[Twinz]

Bmw135...the answer is No.

 

[Twinz]

The JB treats it as a stock map...what ever the stock figure of your car is, the JB4 ignores the PPK...

On the 1M its a different story though.

 

[SP33DYV]

Sorry my mistake, the Akrapovic down pipes are only M/P approved on the f10 M5 and the 1 Series M Coupe. All other x35i's, have no option from BMW.
Sorry Twinz

 

[Twinz]

Will explain better when home later.