M1 Concept car?

[Truvalu]

Is this for real??

http://www.google.co.za/imgres?imgu...a=X&ei=e26WTMr3CMGBlAejuuWlCg&ved=0CBsQ9QEwAA

 

[Philip Foglar]

Saw this a while ago. The original M1 was a bit of an oddball, the concept does seem to follow this closely (as do most concepts though). That's interesting actually, in this month's CAR they have an article on the new M cars to come out, M5 and M6, and then of course M3, but they also show a pic of a 1 Series M Coupe - as in not referred to as "M1". So maybe this crazy thing above is still on the way in the distant future. There was also some "do not blog about this" blog that Top Gear featured in one of their news items which shows a mystery black BMW which I gather is some sort of Hybrid or more crucially a Hydrogen powered car - the tell tail signs are the smaller than normal (for BMW standards) exhaust and thin wheels.

 

[moranor@axis]

it does look awsome thou

 

[Sankekur]

If I am not mistaken this was a non-runner heritage concept built to honour the original M1 or something of that line. As far as I know it is (or was) not intended for actual production. The closest it this will probably come to production is in the for of this concept car:

This was built as some kind of high performance hybrid concept uses a 3cyl diesel engine plus electric 2 electric motors if I am not mistaken

 

[moranor@axis]

love the lights and the roof/spoiler

i read about his car over a year ago... from what i know it is just a test bed for a good hybrid system they focused of getting very good regen from it so they could keep battery weight down... it was not intended to be an M1 from what i know it may have become the M1 in the mean time thou

here are is a write up about the car would be awesome if this did end up being the M1

- Development aim: The performance of a BMW M Car combined with the fuel economy and emission management of a modern small car in the premium class
- Offering a full-hybrid concept, the BMW Vision EfficientDynamics concept car is powered by a three-cylinder turbo-diesel and two electric motors. Overall system output is 262 kW/356 hp, maximum torque 800 Newtonmetres/590 lb-ft. All-wheel drive featuring an electric motor on both the front
and rear axle
- Anticipated performance: Acceleration from a standstill to 100 km/h in 4.8 seconds, top speed 250 km/h (155 mph) (electronically limited), fuel consumption in the EU test cycle 3.76 litres/100 km (equal to 75.1 mph imp), CO2 emissions 99 grams/kilometer

- As a plug-in hybrid, BMW Vision EfficientDynamics is able to cover the entire fuel consumption drive cycle under electric power alone. This reduces the CO2 emission rating to just 50 grams per kilometer
- Electric power is generated without the slightest increase in fuel consumption through a particularly efficient concept of Brake Energy Regeneration.
Energy is stored in 98 lithium polymer cells. The car is able to cover a distance of approximately 50 km/31 miles in the electric mode alone
- The roof and door inserts made of polycarbonate glass automatically become darker as a function of incoming light

- Measuring only 1.24 metres or 48.8″ in height and boasting a sweeping, arch-like roof line, BMW Vision EfficientDynamics offers the slender silhouette of a classic Gran Turismo
- The underfloor of the car is fully covered from front to rear and from one side to the other, thus maintaining a smooth surface to avoid any air swirl liable to increase fuel consumption
- Thanks to the consistent lightweight construction strategy applied on the car, unladen weight according to the DIN standard is limited to 1,395 kg or 3,076 lb


im sure the tech will be applied to many bmws to come

 

[Sankekur]

I really don't understand why there is so much development being done on hybrids that use batteries, they should rather spend their time and money to develop some alternative for batteries.

The performance statistics for this hybrid supercar is a bit misleading, as they give max power as 262kW where it should in fact be given as 102 + 110 + 40 kW (can't remember the exact split of the power). You only get 262kW when running the engine and both electric motor and this can only be done for about 30s at a time if I remember correctly.
Plus using the term supercar is also misleading, for me supercar means V12 not 3I 1.3 diesel, but thats just me

 

[moranor@axis]

i think the only reason why they pushing electric is because of fuel cells it will be easier for them to get the best out of electrics if they start now... but i think in the end electrics will never capture as much energy as a flywheel or hydraulic system... currently the best re-gen you can get for an electric system is 30% where as the other two can get 70% and weigh a hell of a lot less... i think they just want to make an all electric system work because it will make production easier when it comes to fuel cell cars

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if you going flat out for 30s how fast do you think you will be going the question is how many 7s bursts can the batteries handle...
nothing beats the sound of a V12 but if you hear how some super bikes sound i think you could get something close...

 

[Sankekur]

...the question is how many 7s bursts can the batteries handle...

This is my problem exactly, as most of the current hybrids use a bunch of notebook batteries, and out of my experience these types of batteries don't last very long round a year to a year and a half then the life reduced by about half, and these batteries aren't exactly cheap (around 1k each).

But I am not against electric power for cars, its just there will need to be something more effecient that batteries to store the power or a way of cheaply generating the power for me to be convinced that electric power is the way to go.

 

[moranor@axis]

car manufactures dont make money from selling perfect cars they make it form selling prototypes that are good enough to sell im sure that is why they are pushing electric power because this way they can sell us hybrids now and use them to test the electric systems for when they get fuel cells going...

but i would not be surprised if we see other hybrid systems coming out also. if they had to make a fuel cell car with another system to capture braking energy more efficiently they will have an advantage over everyone else for a little bit there must be a manufacturer that is thinking this i just hope its not FIAT...