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Nick
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AshG108 said:
You can use a BB gun, however if one of these scum bags pull a knife or a real weapon you are dead meat.
My Pistol sits on my lap when i drive, with one hand on it at the lights/stop sign.
The look on their faces when they see it is priceless.
If i see cops it goes into the holster i have in my door.
Gizmo
Banned
Driving around with a visible fire arm is a bad idea as you will be shot for it. The gun is worth more than your life to the criminal, he will shoot you for it. In most cases it will scare off most but get that one who is armed and nothing to lose or on drugs and he will pop you in the back of the head while you not watching...Facts of life as many SAPS servicemen have been murdered for their firearms, be careful out there!
Gizmo said:
I definitely disagree with this. Ive carried a 9mm for 5 years and recently swopped for a .40cal. Its not for stopping power or anything like that, its because the sub compact I wanted was only avail in a .40cal.
At the end of the day, 9mm with hollow point rounds will do serious damage, 1 shot to the torso and the 'perp' is in serious trouble. That being said, if youre using full metal jackets (which you shouldnt be), It wont have the same outcome.
Oh, and if youre going to carry, make sure you have the correct ammo and have shot thousands of rounds at the range.. that also makes a hell of a difference
Gizmo
Banned
The reason 9mm is the popular choice is price and availability due to all police forces and military forces around the world using the standard 9x19mm, every single gun shop in the world will have ammo for it, the rounds are cheap and the mag capacity is large. This is all good for sport shooting as mag changes take valuable time, higher caliber reduces mag capacity so most gun enthusiasts will have 2 weapons, one usually a 9mm for sport shooting and honing skills and another higher caliber weapon for daily personal protection, as I said most firefights will be 3-4shots so mag capacity isn't needed and if you're rattling off an entire clip at a perp then clearly you need more practice!
9mm is not designed to kill and thats why police and military use it, for police they want to bring the suspect to book, not kill him. For military they want to wound the soldier so its takes two more soldiers off the front line to carry the wounded away. If I am in a firefight with a perp then caliber is very important as the stopping power of a .40 or .45 will immobilize him way quicker than a 9mm. You want to immobilize him as fast as possible to reduce the risk of him returning fire.
Oh and hollow points are illegal in this country.
9mm is not designed to kill and thats why police and military use it, for police they want to bring the suspect to book, not kill him. For military they want to wound the soldier so its takes two more soldiers off the front line to carry the wounded away. If I am in a firefight with a perp then caliber is very important as the stopping power of a .40 or .45 will immobilize him way quicker than a 9mm. You want to immobilize him as fast as possible to reduce the risk of him returning fire.
Oh and hollow points are illegal in this country.
Nastaliq
Well-known member
1. I hate the fake cripple guys and blind okes at robots.
Every oke is now blind or cripple. WTF.
2. Spraying dirty dishwashing liquid on my windshield is not doing me a service.
Eff Off.
3.I dont want to buy belts, chargers,sunglasses, yapping dogs, kites, wiper blades or avocados at a traffic light.
Eff Off.
4.Loitering and jaywalking at traffic lights is actually illegal IIRC.
5. The breaking of windows in a smash and grab happens with the ceramic end of a spark plug. It is denser than glass and far harder than a standard rock/brick in terms of Mohs, which is why with relatively no force it shatters the glass (unless you have a film coating).
6.for a gun with real stopping power, you need to look at foot pounds of force. a .40 cal will transfer more energy to an assailant than a 9mm round will, more energy transferred equals more damage internally, with a deeper shot, if you hit bone, expect it to shatter, through soft organs, and it can go all the way through and out the other end.
7.Sometimes okes get shot with 9mm rounds and don't even realise they have taken a hit. In south Africa, if I am shooting anyone, I want him/her to explode, no t be irritated and keep advancing/doing what he is doing. Your ordinary thief today carries whatever he can get easily. Sometimes that's a 9mm pistol, a revolver, and sometime even a .40 cal. Your more organised and crafty chaps are carrying around R(insert number here) rifles. The kind of shit you don't want to disco dance with.
8.There will always be times when your firepower is useless, unless you are carrying a .50 cal Triple action Thunder pistol. So having a bigger gun, like a bigger dick, isnt where the story ends. Being competent in its use, familiar with its care and maintenance and a dead shot are far more important. Just pointing a gun at a hijacker and shooting doesnt guarantee anything unless you can shoot him in the head, every day, all day and with your weaker hand if you have to.
9. If you are in a situation, and you draw, you better be sure you are prepared to fire that weapon and be effective when you do so, because you can be certain, that when the other guy sees it, he doesn't think you want to just ask him to be friends on facebook, and he will definitely act accordingly.
10. Equip your loved ones with simple training and measures to take to protect themselves. Like making slow visible movements when being hijacked as fast invisible movements can get you shot. Its pointless if your wife has pepper spray, but has never test fired a can of it, or keeps it in her handbag with the ID,purse, full revlon suite of products, hand lotion, hairbrush, mirror, bubblegum, cellphone, Ipad, housekeys and whatever other shit she just happens to have in there on the day like a jaws hairclip the side of your head. It means, when her life depends on it, she will never be able to locate it in there, meaning carrying it around is more dangerous as the chances she will accidentally fire it in Edgars at the till and be arrested is far greater than the chance she will use it in actual need.
11.The law is heavily geared toward the criminal, so any edge/ anything you can do to tip the odds in your favour is better than just taking your chances. this means, watching every single movement around your car, when you come to a rolling idle or full halt. If you are more interested in poking a friend on facebook on your ipad at a traffic light, dont complain when a thug pokes you back through your opened window with a nice serial number free firearm. Catch a wakeup china. This is SA. people are getting killed and maimed each day for their posessions, and until it happens to you, you are going to live in a cocoon, thinking your closed windows, alarm system and armed response will save you. Catch a wakeup china.
Every oke is now blind or cripple. WTF.
2. Spraying dirty dishwashing liquid on my windshield is not doing me a service.
Eff Off.
3.I dont want to buy belts, chargers,sunglasses, yapping dogs, kites, wiper blades or avocados at a traffic light.
Eff Off.
4.Loitering and jaywalking at traffic lights is actually illegal IIRC.
5. The breaking of windows in a smash and grab happens with the ceramic end of a spark plug. It is denser than glass and far harder than a standard rock/brick in terms of Mohs, which is why with relatively no force it shatters the glass (unless you have a film coating).
6.for a gun with real stopping power, you need to look at foot pounds of force. a .40 cal will transfer more energy to an assailant than a 9mm round will, more energy transferred equals more damage internally, with a deeper shot, if you hit bone, expect it to shatter, through soft organs, and it can go all the way through and out the other end.
7.Sometimes okes get shot with 9mm rounds and don't even realise they have taken a hit. In south Africa, if I am shooting anyone, I want him/her to explode, no t be irritated and keep advancing/doing what he is doing. Your ordinary thief today carries whatever he can get easily. Sometimes that's a 9mm pistol, a revolver, and sometime even a .40 cal. Your more organised and crafty chaps are carrying around R(insert number here) rifles. The kind of shit you don't want to disco dance with.
8.There will always be times when your firepower is useless, unless you are carrying a .50 cal Triple action Thunder pistol. So having a bigger gun, like a bigger dick, isnt where the story ends. Being competent in its use, familiar with its care and maintenance and a dead shot are far more important. Just pointing a gun at a hijacker and shooting doesnt guarantee anything unless you can shoot him in the head, every day, all day and with your weaker hand if you have to.
9. If you are in a situation, and you draw, you better be sure you are prepared to fire that weapon and be effective when you do so, because you can be certain, that when the other guy sees it, he doesn't think you want to just ask him to be friends on facebook, and he will definitely act accordingly.
10. Equip your loved ones with simple training and measures to take to protect themselves. Like making slow visible movements when being hijacked as fast invisible movements can get you shot. Its pointless if your wife has pepper spray, but has never test fired a can of it, or keeps it in her handbag with the ID,purse, full revlon suite of products, hand lotion, hairbrush, mirror, bubblegum, cellphone, Ipad, housekeys and whatever other shit she just happens to have in there on the day like a jaws hairclip the side of your head. It means, when her life depends on it, she will never be able to locate it in there, meaning carrying it around is more dangerous as the chances she will accidentally fire it in Edgars at the till and be arrested is far greater than the chance she will use it in actual need.
11.The law is heavily geared toward the criminal, so any edge/ anything you can do to tip the odds in your favour is better than just taking your chances. this means, watching every single movement around your car, when you come to a rolling idle or full halt. If you are more interested in poking a friend on facebook on your ipad at a traffic light, dont complain when a thug pokes you back through your opened window with a nice serial number free firearm. Catch a wakeup china. This is SA. people are getting killed and maimed each day for their posessions, and until it happens to you, you are going to live in a cocoon, thinking your closed windows, alarm system and armed response will save you. Catch a wakeup china.
Gizmo
Banned
Black talons were discontinued years ago, they have been replaced by a similar product from Winchester. In the UK hollow points are illegal, same for New Jersey the only state in USA where they illegal.
I'm trying to find the law in the latest firearms act and can't find it, perhaps it was law on one of the previous firearms acts.
Coisman where are you???
Would Teflon coated bullets fall under armour piercing?
This has gone way off topic, perhaps we can get a thread going specifically for gun talk in fire health and safety section.
They real nasty bullets designed for maximum tissue damage, a surgeon's nightmare to repair! The good thing is they don't suffer from over penertration as the bullet is destroyed in the process.
I'm trying to find the law in the latest firearms act and can't find it, perhaps it was law on one of the previous firearms acts.
Coisman where are you???
Would Teflon coated bullets fall under armour piercing?
This has gone way off topic, perhaps we can get a thread going specifically for gun talk in fire health and safety section.
They real nasty bullets designed for maximum tissue damage, a surgeon's nightmare to repair! The good thing is they don't suffer from over penertration as the bullet is destroyed in the process.
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