BMW "Sibling Rivalry" Dinan 335i vs. M3

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I have realized through reading the posts that there is a ton of talk about the lack of torque and the fact the arguement is made frequently that "given the same horsepower, the car with the higher torque is faster" etc. Rarely do you have a true apples to apples comparison to illustrate that truly it is simply horsepower that matters.

I found this old video tonight. I actually for god knows why, I was watching youtube review on the new Dart. I give it to dodge, they are doing great marketing and catch commercials! Within 5 minutes I got bored of that and looked for some M videos. This old "shootout: Sibling rivalry" came up.

E92 m3 6-speed with 414hp/295foot pounds vs. Dinan 335 with 408 horsepower/450 foot pounds

Both 6-speeds, both weigh 3600 or so pounds per their spec sheet. They did slalam, a laptime and a quarter-mile. M3 won in everything but what I thought was relevent to this torque vs hp talk was the quarter mile. That is a purely straight-line race which if anything should give a car with low-end torque the advantage, especially given it has the same horsepower as the m3.

However as you see in the results the m3 is faster in a straight line from a standstill despite being down 150 foot pounds of torque and having equal horsepower, equal transmission and equal weight.

Now I am not sure how anyone can refute the claim that it is truly horsepower that dictates acceleration for a given weight.
 

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Oh gosh Sean, Jerez is going to have a field day when he see's this thread....:roflol:

Like that say there's no power like 'M' Power :thumbs:
 

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also note that Willow Springs/Rosamond is over 2,000ft (+600m) above sea level so the turbo car should loose less...
 

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German_spec said:
Oh gosh Sean, Jerez is going to have a field day when he see's this thread....:roflol:

Like that say there's no power like 'M' Power :thumbs:

lol im sure he will be in soon :)
 
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Here we go again...
Let me get the :popcorn:

We all know what's the outcome of this thread.
 

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Crash_Nemesis said:
limited slip diff??? Maybe gets off the line better?

still does not change the fact that the 335i has a massive amount more peak torque...

in order to take advantage of the torque it needs to be in the RPM range you using this is why power is more important than torque in a race...

high power means more torque is produced in the high Rpm and the high Rpm is where you sit in a race...

the M3 V8 has a very flat torque curve and produces good torque at high RPM so even though it has lower peak torque the torque at High rpm is good...
 

E30 Freak

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Crash_Nemesis said:
limited slip diff??? Maybe gets off the line better?

& then there is the gearing which would differ as well??

Would somebody pls fit a 335i motor in an M3 body so we can get some finality on this:fencelook::roflol:
 
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UpNcOmiNg! said:
Oh dear, this is terrible news for me and great news for Andy :fencelook:
But we all knew this, psh

Exactly. Just like you know you had the wrong Blackline tail lights. :fencelook:
 
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UpNcOmiNg! said:
My 135i is faster than everything! It just doesn't know it yet! :rollsmile:

Jerez is going to have a field day with that comment.:rollsmile:
 

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UpNcOmiNg! said:
My 135i is faster than everything! It just doesn't know it yet! :rollsmile:

That is quite hilarious! :roflol:

But anyway, ya limited slip diff, gearing, suspension, tyres. I think all that would play a part also. Maybe if it was a rolling start then it would be sliiightly more accurate
 
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