BMW rules out nine- or ten-speed automatic gearboxes, manual to live on

Divio

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:rollsmile::praise:
Long live the third pedal!



Future BMWs won’t chase efficiency with nine or more gears, but will get three-cylinder power, according to tech chief

BMW is convinced its current transmission policy of eight-speed automatics, seven-speed dual-clutches and six-speed manuals is the perfect combination, according to its small and midsize cars boss, Klaus Frolich.

Speaking to Auto Express at the launch of the new X4 and 4 Series Gran Coupe – both of which offer an eight-speed ‘Sport Auto’ paddleshifter option – Frolich expressed scepticism at the gearbox policies of rivals Jaguar Land Rover, Mercedes and Cadillac, all of whom are working on transmissions offering nine or more forward speeds.

“We ran some tests” explained Frolich. “The [efficiency] difference between an automatic with six speeds and eight speeds is seven or eight per cent, which is a good result. But the benefit for nine speeds [instead of eight] is almost zero per cent. Plus, it adds weight, complexity and cost, and with turbocharged engines you have a good spread of torque, so [drivers] do not want to have the gearbox constantly changing its mind.”

Quizzed over the policy to equip BMW’s M Division cars with a seven-speed dual-clutch gearbox (known as M-DCT), Frolich said: “Seven gears is not optimum, it is a compromise. As in a manual gearbox, in a twin-clutch you must arrange all the gears in a line, so for weight and packaging reasons we are limited to seven speeds. But our new turbo M cars have so much torque this is no problem. DCT remains right for M cars because we can’t make a torque-convertor that would be durable up to 8000rpm.”

Frolich also confirmed that for the foreseeable future, the manual transmission is safe at BMW, both in M Division cars and regular non-performance models. “Of course, with a manual you are slower, but it is more emotional; it now says ‘I am a serious driver, I am a connoisseur’. So, we will continue [to offer a manual] even if only ten per cent of customers want it. That is why we offer a manual M5 sedan in North America. It is stupid – the development costs are huge – but we will keep doing it as long as the customer wants it.”
BMW unconvinced by Audi prediction

Asked about the possibility of three-cylinder engines in larger cars like the 3 Series and 5 Series, Frolich was unconvinced by Audi CEO Rupert Stadler’s prediction that this will become the norm within ten years. That’s despite four-cylinder turbo engines having beginning to usurp thirsty six-cylinders in the large executive saloon and estate class, in Europe at least.

Frolich forecasted: “[small engines in the larger cars] will happen, but only when the buyers are ready. Many buyers don’t care how many cylinders are in their BMW, and the new MINI shows the potential for three-cylinder. But honestly, it is much easier for us to make three-cylinder engines work with front-wheel drive than rear-wheel drive.”

Read more: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/4-...o-its-guns-for-future-gearboxes#ixzz32zN8hFYV

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Rayzor

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Because BMW = Sheer driving pleasure....:praise: “Of course, with a manual you are slower, but it is more emotional; it now says ‘I am a serious driver, I am a connoisseur"
:bravo::bravo::bravo:
 

444YYY

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Makes me feel good about the future. No one makes a better Manual box than BMW. The actuation, throw, and engagement has been perfected by BMW :praise:
 

Philip Foglar

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Just wish that more new BMW's locally would be offered with a manual gearbox option - it seems they are pushing SA drivers to forget that they have a left foot that IS capable of operating a clutch. Don't get me wrong, the new automatic 8-speed and M-DCT gearboxes are really good, and the cars are blisteringly fast thanks to them, but there is still so much fun driving a proper manual gearbox! The new 335i or 330d for example, and none of the new 5 series are available with a manual gearbox, none! But overseas they are...
 

A B

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zaleonardz@DentDocVPS said:
I concur..

I actually have the 8 speed paddle shift on the F10, and it is simply phenomenal, it really is

Love my paddle shift as well. It give a nice race feel to the driving.
 

HardM3

Member
“Of course, with a manual you are slower, but it is more emotional; it now says ‘I am a serious driver, I am a connoisseur’.

Wow, love that :bravo:
 

Quick///M

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Loving my my 8SP Auto so far can't really complain and certainly not missing the manual gearbox anymore
 

Twinz

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The future looks interesting. Car manufacturers also trying to outdo each other and be ahead of the game...nice :joy:
 
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