ChefDJ
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[DISCLAIMER ]This is posted in my own, personal capacity and so please do not judge the rest of the staff of BMWFanatics for the views expressed herein.
I want to address the issues that have been present recently, concerning various topics and various threads, the biggest of which is the animosity I am seeing on the forum.
We are not all here to agree on a topic. We all have views, opinions and ideals that conflict with those of the people we interact with on the forum. While some may turn to personal attack and bigotry to display their disagreement, others may simply ignore and and hide and deal with the matters in their own silent way.
The latter is most applicable as to how issues arising on the forum may be dealt with, so that the forum is not riddled with keyboard wars and displeasing content (regardless of how many bask in the ambiance of the drama and turmoil). So when questioning why the staff, both moderators and administrators, handle situations the way they do and not all out in front of you as you may like, take a moment to think about the damage all the negative content displayed on the forum might do to potential new members. Some see it and think that this place is shit and so they won't come back a second time. You said it yourselves, "the members make up the forum". Well exactly. And will the forum exist further if no new members join because of the animosity? The forum is not here for you, yourself, a single person. It's here for everyone, free to join and take part as they wish. We cannot please each member and their personal expectations.
There are rules that I want to quote here which apply to some of the recent situations:
We, the unpaid staff, do not have to explain to you, the members, exactly why we do what we do, when we do it, and how we do it, no matter how high profile a member you may be or consider yourself to be, regardless of your time registered as a member, your post count contribution as a member, or your services rendered to the forum.
We are not here for you as an individual, even though the staff often go out of their way to assist anyone as best they can. We are here for the forum/members as a whole.
Self explanatory, I hope.
This ties in with what I said above with how posts/issues may be dealt with. Questioning the staff, and attempting to publicly pull them into the spotlight, will not aid you in your personal quest for answers. If you really need to understand because you cannot go on with your day without knowing what's going on behind the scenes, PM a staff member and see if they're willing to explain. Do not, however, expect the answers you seek.
You are breaking a rule in doing so, and you may just get banned for it. Some of you are lucky that you are still on this forum after the animosity you show to the staff sometimes.
So far, every single rule quoted above has been broken lately, and yet here you are, demanding attention and screaming for "democracy". The forum is run in a mostly democratic way, but there's a limit. Call it dictatorship if you will, but we cannot allow TLGP threads to openly exist on the forum just because you ask for it [example]. It can do the forum a lot of damage. Who will you demand the democratic running of the forum from should the forum cease to exist?
Sometimes we simply have to exercise this rule, whether you like it or not.
Take note of this, it's a forum rule. The staff are here for a reason and do not appreciate being questioned on everything they do.
Rules 28 applies when a moderator/administrator makes a post, expressing their views or opinions. Read it again. No matter how many times the staff are reminded that they need to exercise caution when posting as they represent the forum, they are human at the end of the day and so sometimes their views may be conflicting of yours. And sometimes members get into personal confrontations with staff for whatever reason. When this happens, there is outrage that "this is how the staff are treating us".
No... This is how that person is treating you. Personal.
Read 33(iii) again. Don't tell the staff, should you disagree with them, to come meet you face to face to sort out your differences. This is harassment and I will ban you permanently for it. You are not making yourself out to be bigger than you are.
This also goes against (what should be) your own personal security. If you have not met a forum member at one of the events we hold, you do not know who you might be inviting to come "tell something to your face". He may be a serial killer and he won't be coming to see you with a bunch of roses with the intention to apologise. You're making your own bed with this statement, and doing a bad job of it.
A bit different from the context of this thread but it needs to be mentioned once more. Guys, no matter who you are, if you call out public illegal activities on this forum, you will be banned. Even in the TLGP section, you cannot post your intentions to organise illegal activities. You are bringing the forum into disrepute.
And the very last line of text displayed on the thread where all these rules are posted:
We are here for the love of the brand and to share in the content posted on this forum. Don't be a dick about it. We're all human.
I want to address the issues that have been present recently, concerning various topics and various threads, the biggest of which is the animosity I am seeing on the forum.
We are not all here to agree on a topic. We all have views, opinions and ideals that conflict with those of the people we interact with on the forum. While some may turn to personal attack and bigotry to display their disagreement, others may simply ignore and and hide and deal with the matters in their own silent way.
The latter is most applicable as to how issues arising on the forum may be dealt with, so that the forum is not riddled with keyboard wars and displeasing content (regardless of how many bask in the ambiance of the drama and turmoil). So when questioning why the staff, both moderators and administrators, handle situations the way they do and not all out in front of you as you may like, take a moment to think about the damage all the negative content displayed on the forum might do to potential new members. Some see it and think that this place is shit and so they won't come back a second time. You said it yourselves, "the members make up the forum". Well exactly. And will the forum exist further if no new members join because of the animosity? The forum is not here for you, yourself, a single person. It's here for everyone, free to join and take part as they wish. We cannot please each member and their personal expectations.
There are rules that I want to quote here which apply to some of the recent situations:
We, the unpaid staff, do not have to explain to you, the members, exactly why we do what we do, when we do it, and how we do it, no matter how high profile a member you may be or consider yourself to be, regardless of your time registered as a member, your post count contribution as a member, or your services rendered to the forum.
We are not here for you as an individual, even though the staff often go out of their way to assist anyone as best they can. We are here for the forum/members as a whole.
Self explanatory, I hope.
This ties in with what I said above with how posts/issues may be dealt with. Questioning the staff, and attempting to publicly pull them into the spotlight, will not aid you in your personal quest for answers. If you really need to understand because you cannot go on with your day without knowing what's going on behind the scenes, PM a staff member and see if they're willing to explain. Do not, however, expect the answers you seek.
You are breaking a rule in doing so, and you may just get banned for it. Some of you are lucky that you are still on this forum after the animosity you show to the staff sometimes.
So far, every single rule quoted above has been broken lately, and yet here you are, demanding attention and screaming for "democracy". The forum is run in a mostly democratic way, but there's a limit. Call it dictatorship if you will, but we cannot allow TLGP threads to openly exist on the forum just because you ask for it [example]. It can do the forum a lot of damage. Who will you demand the democratic running of the forum from should the forum cease to exist?
Sometimes we simply have to exercise this rule, whether you like it or not.
Take note of this, it's a forum rule. The staff are here for a reason and do not appreciate being questioned on everything they do.
Rules 28 applies when a moderator/administrator makes a post, expressing their views or opinions. Read it again. No matter how many times the staff are reminded that they need to exercise caution when posting as they represent the forum, they are human at the end of the day and so sometimes their views may be conflicting of yours. And sometimes members get into personal confrontations with staff for whatever reason. When this happens, there is outrage that "this is how the staff are treating us".
No... This is how that person is treating you. Personal.
Read 33(iii) again. Don't tell the staff, should you disagree with them, to come meet you face to face to sort out your differences. This is harassment and I will ban you permanently for it. You are not making yourself out to be bigger than you are.
This also goes against (what should be) your own personal security. If you have not met a forum member at one of the events we hold, you do not know who you might be inviting to come "tell something to your face". He may be a serial killer and he won't be coming to see you with a bunch of roses with the intention to apologise. You're making your own bed with this statement, and doing a bad job of it.
A bit different from the context of this thread but it needs to be mentioned once more. Guys, no matter who you are, if you call out public illegal activities on this forum, you will be banned. Even in the TLGP section, you cannot post your intentions to organise illegal activities. You are bringing the forum into disrepute.
And the very last line of text displayed on the thread where all these rules are posted:
We are here for the love of the brand and to share in the content posted on this forum. Don't be a dick about it. We're all human.
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