2003 E65 engine replacement

[Cassiev]

Hi all

I lost my baby about 6 months ago and couldn't find a replacement engine. I love my car and can't wait to get her fixed.I spoke to a few people but none willing to rebuild the engine. I even asked if the engine could be replaced with 740 or a730i engine (covert to petrol) but with no luck.

So this guy phoned me from BM Boys to inform me that he does have an engine and not being technical at all (pen pusher) I wouldn't know if I'm scammed. I live in Cape Town but supplier is in Jhb. How would I know if engine is sound if I ned to do payment upfront?

Do I need a police clearance certificate?

Need approval from finance house?

Any advice or recommendations welcome.

 

[cukymonster328]

just check the engine number at police and get a warranty on the engine

 

[zaleonardz]

Why does your motor need to be replaced, for starters

Did it overheat ?

 

[Cassiev]

Nope no overheating problems, ran like dream and then main bearing collapsed, well that is what BMW told me. Was strange though, oil levels were fine... so not quite sure what caused it. Engine had no problems for 118 000 km and then it all happened.
Had my fair share of e65 electronic problems but nothing major. Must admit the forum did assist me more than once!

:blab:

 

[Peter@AEW]

Surely main bearings can be replaced and crank fixed?

The engine would only need to be opened at the bottom and you would not need to touch pistons.

I am puzzled by your post.

 

[zaleonardz]

This is the part that gets me as well.

Main bearing failure at such low km's can only be due to poor lubrication or failed oil pump.

I would strip your block, and see what damage it actually caused.

THe main bearings can be replaced, and the crank can be cut with oversized bearings fitted.

If the head did not warp under heat, and it did not blow a hole in the block, there is no reason why you cannot fix that motor.

 

[Cassiev]

This is the part that gets me as well.

Main bearing failure at such low km's can only be due to poor lubrication or failed oil pump.

I would strip your block, and see what damage it actually caused.

THe main bearings can be replaced, and the crank can be cut with oversized bearings fitted.

If the head did not warp under heat, and it did not blow a hole in the block, there is no reason why you cannot fix that motor.

hi all thanks for the feedback. I will go and chat to the guy at the garage where the car is standing. I'm not technical at all and appreciate all the advice and feedback. As I'm a pen-pusher you never know these days when garages are taking you for a ride!!! BMW at Tyger Valley quoted me R144k for the engine excluding labour!!! that's more than the car is worth. Last quote I got was R65k for engine and labour!! I had a few pm's with offers for 745 engine and would love to install but was told need new gearbox and engine management system - quote ?
:flyfun:

 

[Peter@AEW]

I really enjoy it when people register to ask just one question and then disappear never to be seen again.

Anyway I hope you came right, for lack of social graces should not financially impact on you.

 

[Cassiev]

I really enjoy it when people register to ask just one question and then disappear never to be seen again.

Anyway I hope you came right, for lack of social graces should not financially impact on you.

I've enjoyed reading various posts on this forum and must admit this is a bit of a surprise! I received a PM from someone that's trying his best to assist me.

I wanted to meet some of the members in December before I left at the toy run but that unfortunately didn't work out. so I'm back in the land of internet access.:ty:

I'ts so sad in a life that is very short and should be enjoyed, you find people that go out of their way to be either nasty to others or make uncalled for comments! I found in my life that those are the people who are unhappy within.

Anyway thank you to those that responded and sent PM's. If Mr M and I can agree on a way of fixing this I WILL inform those interested.

I hope everyone on the forum will have a great 2013! :joy:

 

[zaleonardz]

Whats the status with the repair ?

 

[Peter@AEW]

This is the part that gets me as well.

Main bearing failure at such low km's can only be due to poor lubrication or failed oil pump.

I would strip your block, and see what damage it actually caused.

THe main bearings can be replaced, and the crank can be cut with oversized bearings fitted.

If the head did not warp under heat, and it did not blow a hole in the block, there is no reason why you cannot fix that motor.

hi all thanks for the feedback. I will go and chat to the guy at the garage where the car is standing. I'm not technical at all and appreciate all the advice and feedback. As I'm a pen-pusher you never know these days when garages are taking you for a ride!!! BMW at Tyger Valley quoted me R144k for the engine excluding labour!!! that's more than the car is worth. Last quote I got was R65k for engine and labour!! I had a few pm's with offers for 745 engine and would love to install but was told need new gearbox and engine management system - quote ?
:flyfun:

Thank you for the well wishes for the New Year I equally wish you the same.

I am equally in your debt for the pseudo psycho analysis.
I shall be sure to make a note of your exceptional insights.

Now to the matter which I raised.

You posted on the 14th November.
Leonard and I responded almost immediately with constructive observations. That was the 15th November
You responded on the 13th December
Since the 13th of December you have not bothered to respond,well not untill I posted my observation.

What exactly makes you think that you have behaved correctly?

 

[Cassiev]

Whats the status with the repair ?

Hi Zaleonardz

I was out of the loop for the best of 6 weeks and on my return a member of the forum mailed me with a quote on the 4th of January for a 4.5l 8 Cylinder engine with a gearbox, wiring engine management system etc for a reasonable price.

That would be a great solution as I wanted a 745 from the beginning but as you know, Cape Town does have less of them on the road compared to JHB.

Most of the garages I contacted in Cape Town will not even touch the engine so to get an opinion apart from Forsdicks was a bit of a tough one. I saw an ad on Gumtree from a Alexander selling a M57 engine (without a turbo) which really interested me but as per your advice, I requested if there is a guarantee on the engine and unfortunately the response was 1 month only. Not quite the risk I'm willing to take.

1. I have applied to my finance house for authorization to do the conversion.
2. I have applied to the bank for a personal loan as I don't have so much cash lying around :yuck:
3. The garage where my car is currently standing is opening for business tomorrow (another Cape Town thing ) so I need to meet with him to determine if he is willing to do the conversion for me and at what cost? If he can't or won't do it I'll have to approach someone like Steve's Auto Clinic or someone similar.
4. Need to source an exhaust system as the current one can't be used.

I had to buy myself a Getz just to hop around the country - not fun at all. Have driven 3 series BMW's for a while but man I miss my 7


I'll keep you up to date once i have met with the Garage in Bellville.

Cass

 

[zaleonardz]

Hmmm

Well, it would be interesting to say the least, I see a few possible problems with the conversions.

I take it that the current motor is a 730d ?

 

[Cassiev]

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Hmmm

Well, it would be interesting to say the least, I see a few possible problems with the conversions.

I take it that the current motor is a 730d ?

Jip that's the problem, no one has one and I need to find out tomorrow whether it's a D1 D2 or a D3 engine :yuck: didn't even know that that's an issue too!!!

 

[Kish2604]

M57 is the 3lt 6 cyl BMW Diesal motor as found in the 330d, 530d and in this case the 730d, now mr OP, this is a common motor in the BMW range and why nobody wants to open it up or fix it for you sounds strange, first of all,it will be cheaper to fix the current set up than go pulling the engine, box, mounts, prop, wiring harness, ews, dme and the million other wires the 7 series has...second of all, it doesn't sound like your Mechie knows what's going on, get your parts for your car put into the boot, get a rollback and tow the car out, you going to be paying storage fees and its wont stop adding up until its gone from there,

Now in terms of getting someone reliable to get the car going, I would suggest you get a hold of Minimike from automobile concierge who will know the right people to work on the car... This car will become a bottomless pit of money being spent if you don't do it right first time around, if warrantee and peace of mindis important then again use the fit people, lastly these cars are all about diagnostics, whoever works on it needs to know what they doing..

Lastly, based onwhat you saying happened to the car and the mileage it was doing then it running a bearing definitely has to be linked to an oil problem, assuming the motor was not run till it seized then your looking at an oil pump, mains and big end bearings, bottom and top gasket kit, a new or used crank if your current one can't be salvaged and labour... The is also a 2 out of 3 chance that you need a new turbo/rebuild if it has seized....

And your car will be back on the road for an affordable sum of money...

Good luck..

 

[zaleonardz]

Ok,

Firstly, nothing is impossible, if you want to do the V8 conversion, you can, however....

What you need to know is that the E65 is a complex machine.

You can upgrade a V8 to a larger V8, so for example, if you wanted to go from a 735 to a 750, I would have said, go for it, the differances can be done with a decent tune.

Now converting from Diesel to Petrol, thats where the trick comes in.

See, there is a marriage of modules in your vehicle, the DME, the CAS, and the EGS. All 3 of these modules need to be in sync with the same VIN, FA,SA numbers, or else it will kick up an error and your car will be in limp mode.

Now, with a V8, you have a DME, in your case, you have a DDE.

This means in order for it to work, you would have to change the main ECU.

THis will mean that you either need to get the DME and the CAS module, with the keys and the entire lockset in order for that to work, else it would just say DME does not match CAS, car wont start.

Then you have secondary issues, such as the IKE (which is the cluster), which does a km check and vin check on the LKM, the CAS, the DDE module.

If any error picked up, you will get a tamper dot, as the car would assume you stuffed with the miledge.

Then if you get past all of that, you have to consider the differance in exhausts, cats ect.

THe gearbox which contains the EGS may also be a problem, although I am not sure if the existing geartbox is mechanically compatable between the diesel and the petrol.

This is not going to be easy, its doable, but not left to your average mechie...

If you baught an accident damaged e65 745 or 750 bla, you could do the entire swap over.

However,

THe M57N motor is essentially the same, with the major changes being in the intake ect.

I think, and somebody such as P1000 or netercol can and should correct me here, the block is the same.

Now if you had bearing failure, what you could do is buy any motor, even out of an E46 330d (going in the junkmail for about 12k) and essentially strip the motor, use the sub assembly only.

So block out of that motor, and use your existing motors heads, intakes ect.

The V8 conversion will be a technical challange, there are tools that can change VIN numbers and stuff on modules, but half of them does not work ect...

Hope this makes sense.

 

[Cassiev]

Wow this is rather overwhelming but exciting too. Kish is right i think the mechanic is not up for the job as I asked him a long time ago whether the engine could be repaired. I think he might be taking a chance to make a hell of a lot of money by replacing than fixing.

Storage fees - how much does the garages charge for 'storage' my baby has been there since March!!!

The conversion sound interesting but still need someone to do if I'll be going that route.... hmm food for thought!

Thanks for the advice and I'll see if my day allows me to pop into the garage to go and chat to the mechie...

 

[zaleonardz]

Storage fees should be indicated in his reception on the wall, or he does not have the right to charge you, unless he has your signiture on there somwehre.

Got to tell you, I would LOVE to do this project, rebuild from one to another, wish I had the time, this would take me like 2 years to do.

 

[Jandre]

I know this car. See it often.

 

[Psymon69]

Where is the car at the moment? Im also from the Bellville area. I think you must chat to Allie at ART (seeing as you not in a hurry:rollsmile: ) or to Wessel at motorcade. Those are the guys that we (at automobil concierge) would suggest for such a massively complicated job.

All the best, let the getz be inspiration to get you going:rollsmile: