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Michelin Tyres
11-12-2019, 11:35 AM,
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Michelin Tyres
Okay so since I am keeping the 320d and since I am tired of the harsh ride quality of the RFT's (currently Pirelli P Zero) I am looking at changing to Michelin Non-RFT's

The big question is which? Its confusing to say the least to a technically challenged individual like me....

So, the options in the sizes required (225/40/18 & 255/35/18) are

For the front 225/40/18
Pilot Sport 2's
Pilot Sport 4's
Pilot Super Sport

For the rear 255/35/18
Pilot Sport 3's
Pilot Sport 4's

The Pilot Super Sport is available in 245/35/18 and 255/40/18 but not sure what that does to the rolling diameter of the wheel and therefore the speedo etc. Also, I'm not convinced that the 245/35/18 won't look too narrow on the rear rim / in the wheel arch.

Any advice welcome.
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11-12-2019, 11:47 AM,
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RE: Michelin Tyres
I personally don't understand why people would switch to non RFT in a car that has no space for a spare wheel, unless you consider the ludicrous spare wheel kit from BMW a solution or there is no requirement for you to have any boot space.

Before people comment "i SwITChed to Non rFT ThrEe yeaRS ago and HaVEn't HAd an ISsUe"...

I'm not one to rely on pure luck, thank me when you aren't stuck on the side of the road at 11pm with an angry family looking like a d**s....

Anyway...

The Pilot sport 4S replaces the super sport.

My advice would be to stick to the recommended size in Pilot Sport 4.

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11-12-2019, 11:51 AM,
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RE: Michelin Tyres
If you switching to non-RFT then please make sure you get the spare wheel kit as it saved my ass very often.
Low profile non-rft tyres handle our shit roads much better than RFT but still fail and the spare wheel kit is a necessity.

As Kyle bitched about above.

Pilot Sport 4s is your best bet.

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11-12-2019, 11:55 AM,
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RE: Michelin Tyres
(11-12-2019, 11:35 AM)WIDEOPN-X3 Wrote: Okay so since I am keeping the 320d and since I am tired of the harsh ride quality of the RFT's (currently Pirelli P Zero) I am looking at changing to Michelin Non-RFT's

The big question is which? Its confusing to say the least to a technically challenged individual like me....

So, the options in the sizes required (225/40/18 & 255/35/18) are

For the front 225/40/18
Pilot Sport 2's
Pilot Sport 4's
Pilot Super Sport

For the rear 255/35/18
Pilot Sport 3's
Pilot Sport 4's

The Pilot Super Sport is available in 245/35/18 and 255/40/18 but not sure what that does to the rolling diameter of the wheel and therefore the speedo etc. Also, I'm not convinced that the 245/35/18 won't look too narrow on the rear rim / in the wheel arch.

Any advice welcome.

The super sport and the Pilot sport 4 grip very well and they definitely last relatively long. For your application I don't think that sort of tyre is necessary though, but if you have the budget then go for them. Looking at the price for PS3 on errols tyres website it doesn't make sense to go for those as they don't even list correct sizes for your car.

I would stick to the stock tyre sizes for your car 255/35/18 and 225/40/18. The PS4 is available at those sizes.

245/35/18 will look too narrow for your car, and you don't want to put 215/40/18 at the front to match the rears. They will fit fine but the tyre will look a bit stretched.

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11-12-2019, 12:05 PM,
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RE: Michelin Tyres
(11-12-2019, 11:47 AM)Kyle Wrote: I personally don't understand why people would switch to non RFT in a car that has no space for a spare wheel, unless you consider the ludicrous spare wheel kit from BMW a solution or there is no requirement for you to have any boot space.

Before people comment "i SwITChed to Non rFT ThrEe yeaRS ago and HaVEn't HAd an ISsUe"...

I'm not one to rely on pure luck, thank me when you aren't stuck on the side of the road at 11pm with an angry family looking like a d**s....

Anyway...

The Pilot sport 4S replaces the super sport.

My advice would be to stick to the recommended size in Pilot Sport 4.

Yeah a spare wheel kit is probably a good idea. I had a spare wheel kit and compressor kit in the E82 but I just have the compressor kit in the E92.

It is a risk, and I do travel reasonable distances within CT.

Runflats definitely have their purpose. For example, my wife's vehicle will keep it's runflats. It's just safer, I don't want her to have to stop on the side of the road.

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11-12-2019, 12:09 PM,
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I can not recommend the pilot sport 4 enough. They are just so good in every situation, dry grip, wet grip, and tyre life is really good.


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11-12-2019, 12:14 PM,
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RE: Michelin Tyres
(11-12-2019, 11:47 AM)Kyle Wrote: I personally don't understand why people would switch to non RFT in a car that has no space for a spare wheel, unless you consider the ludicrous spare wheel kit from BMW a solution or there is no requirement for you to have any boot space.

Before people comment "i SwITChed to Non rFT ThrEe yeaRS ago and HaVEn't HAd an ISsUe"...

I'm not one to rely on pure luck, thank me when you aren't stuck on the side of the road at 11pm with an angry family looking like a d**s....

Anyway...

The Pilot sport 4S replaces the super sport.

My advice would be to stick to the recommended size in Pilot Sport 4.

Thanks Kyle.

Firstly, its not my family car but my "high days, holidays and date night car" nowadays so loss of luggage space isn't a concern if I put the BMW spare wheel kit in the boot.

Secondly, having had the experience of a flat with RFT's on both the X3 and this 320d necessitating trips of around 50km in each instance to get to a place where I could replace the tyre I can say with a measure of confidence that despite travelling at a speed of 40km/h on each occasion (in the emergency lane on the N3 in the case of the X3) neither tyre would have lasted much further so the "80 km at 80km/h" story is a stretch in my opinion. Indeed some literature suggests that that one could go as far as 100 miles..... I doubt that. The tyre would self destruct long before that.

So with the above in mind, I hopefully will avoid looking like a d**s cos i will have the spare wheel kit.... except if its date night.... if its date night even with the spare I will be called a d**s....
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11-12-2019, 12:15 PM,
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RE: Michelin Tyres
(11-12-2019, 12:05 PM)///Avi Wrote:
(11-12-2019, 11:47 AM)Kyle Wrote: I personally don't understand why people would switch to non RFT in a car that has no space for a spare wheel, unless you consider the ludicrous spare wheel kit from BMW a solution or there is no requirement for you to have any boot space.

Before people comment "i SwITChed to Non rFT ThrEe yeaRS ago and HaVEn't HAd an ISsUe"...

I'm not one to rely on pure luck, thank me when you aren't stuck on the side of the road at 11pm with an angry family looking like a d**s....

Anyway...

The Pilot sport 4S replaces the super sport.

My advice would be to stick to the recommended size in Pilot Sport 4.

Yeah a spare wheel kit is probably a good idea. I had a spare wheel kit and compressor kit in the E82 but I just have the compressor kit in the E92.

It is a risk, and I do travel reasonable distances within CT.

Runflats definitely have their purpose. For example, my wife's vehicle will keep it's runflats. It's just safer, I don't want her to have to stop on the side of the road.

There is merit in this I won't dispute that.
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11-12-2019, 01:24 PM,
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RE: Michelin Tyres
So on the choices I would chose nothing less that the PS4S’s if you can’t get those the PS4’s are nearly just as good. In fact if you don’t push the car you probably wouldn’t know the difference.

As for Non RFT tyre, the F80 M3 didn’t come with a spare wheel or run flats. When on holiday last year I had a sidewalk tear and couldn’t use the kit to repair it so ended up driving 16km/h for the 8km back to the guesthouse and had to get Michelin SA to courier me a replacement 265/35 R20 tyre to Ballito due to low stock. The o my incident I’ve ever had and couldn’t use the kit anyway.

Whereas the X3 has Run flats and they were so stiff that I constantly had side wall blow outs. I think I went through 6-7 Tyres in a year and a half due to just driving on anything other than a glass surface.
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11-12-2019, 01:32 PM, (This post was last modified: 11-12-2019, 01:37 PM by momo1.)
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RE: Michelin Tyres
The PS4s don't come in Runflats as yet.

For the same money you gona spend on the PS4 non RFTs, you can get PS3 RFTS.
I had the PS3s on my E90 320d and they were absolutely epic, handled like a charm.
On my F30 330d, I, like you was also faced with non RFT PS4s or RFT PS3s and I chose the PS3s simply because of the convenience of not having to carry a spare. also on a normal road car with under 150kw I don't think you gona feel the performance difference between the 2.

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11-12-2019, 02:57 PM,
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RE: Michelin Tyres
(11-12-2019, 01:24 PM)ChrisPy Wrote: So on the choices I would chose nothing less that the PS4S’s if you can’t get those the PS4’s are nearly just as good. In fact if you don’t push the car you probably wouldn’t know the difference.

PS4S does not come in sizes below 19 inch otherwise I would've suggested those.

Great tyres.

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12-12-2019, 10:12 AM,
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RE: Michelin Tyres
Thanks for the feedback guys. Michelin Pilot Sport 4 have been ordered to be fitted once the rims have been sorted out.

I'll post seperately in the for sale section but I will have available 2 x 255/35/18 Pirelli P Zero RFT's with good tread left and 1 x 225/40/18 from the front likewise. The second front tyre was damaged by a pothole and is throwaway unfortunately.
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12-12-2019, 01:20 PM,
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Runflats are not all they are cracked up to be in big sizes. Hit a join in the road on the N2 from old tar to new tar at 80km/h and did this to the inside of my Pirelli RFT (275/30/R20). I thought I just knocked off a balancing weight but turned out the wobble was a bit more serious than that. The guy at the Best Drive said he's seen it a few times with these big RFT's.

Changed all 4 tyres to PS 4S's, no steelbelt but rather has a kevlar composite carcass (if it's good enough to stop bullets it's good enough for my 640d. And what difference the Michelin's made, quiet, smoother and soooooo much more grip. Love them!!!
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12-12-2019, 01:25 PM,
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(12-12-2019, 01:20 PM)Bazza Wrote: Runflats are not all they are cracked up to be in big sizes. Hit a join in the road on the N2 from old tar to new tar at 80km/h and did this to the inside of my Pirelli RFT (275/30/R20). I thought I just knocked off a balancing weight but turned out the wobble was a bit more serious than that. The guy at the Best Drive said he's seen it a few times with these big RFT's.

Changed all 4 tyres to PS 4S's, no steelbelt but rather has a kevlar composite carcass (if it's good enough to stop bullets it's good enough for my 640d. And what difference the Michelin's made, quiet, smoother and soooooo much more grip. Love them!!!
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Sorry, can't seem to upload any pix. I cracked the tyre between the sidewall and the tread on the inside of the tyre. About a 200mm crack. If anyone can upload pix or wants to see then let me know and I can whatsapp or email you the pix.
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12-12-2019, 02:37 PM,
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Just a thought.
Not knowing exactly how you drive, to say, utilising the outright grip of a tyre or more economical style it crossed my mind on whether indeed you need to go for the PS4". If you do drive in the "fast lane" style then I would stick to them as they are fantastic tyres. If however you drive more leisurely did you check on the Michelin Primacy I think its called. I had them on my e46 330i Individual and found they were more than good in performance style driving but also fantastic with normal driving. I am not sure if they come in the appropriate size but I'm sure they do. The up side is they will be less expensive and will give way more kms in longevity and as I say, they are really good in entusiastic driving - not in the league of the PS but better than most others and I would hazard a guess better than the RFT's on the car.

Just a thought as I say....

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