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Getting More HP From My Most Hated M40B18
10-07-2019, 10:13 PM
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Getting More HP From My Most Hated M40B18
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I have read on other forums that the M40 is the most hated BMW engine... yes it is NOT the fastest engine... but guys please remember it is only 1.8 litres and its big brother the M42 which is basically the same block with a twin cam 16v setup produces a 138hp which is not that bad.... okay so my M40B18 only has 115hp but I happen to like it.... people hate on her so much but I happen to like her she is light weight and handles great... okay sure she is slow on pull off... but when i do need some power and I go past 3500 rpm she becomes a little beast... and I very much enjoy the change in character in the higher rpm range...

That said however 115hp is just not enough, this engine is surely capable of 150hp... and I think that would be a sweet setup, 150hp with a light weight body, not the fastest but a great little car to throw around...

okay so how do I get 150hp... and no don't tell me turbo or super charger!!! are you mad, throwing that kind of cash at a 1,8 litre engine? You must be joking when I could swap for an M42 or M52... no, no, no to all those who are going to suggest it is cheaper or easier to swap to .... please leave right now, that is not what this thread is all about... I have and M40... and I am stuck with that.... if you want to discuss that then stick around....

My thought are this.... I don't want to spend the cash or have the complications of a turbo or supercharge.... but I want 150hp so I am thinking change the rear exhaust for an open exhaust and I gain 5hp and then change the ECU chip (imported from Germany) tuned for 95 octane and I have another 10hp and then change the cam WITH a performance cam from "Vanderlinde Developments" 3k and then I get another 20hp (I hope) add that all together 5+10+20 = 35+115 = 150hp and bobs your uncle... I have a sweet daily driver... the poor mans M3!!!!

I know the M40 is a dog I have heard it all a 100 times before and I know there is no point trying to get more hp from a dog and I know that my best option is to swap the engine or go turbo... but please guys... humour me and help me out with your experience or suggestions.... many thanks!!!!
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11-07-2019, 06:33 AM (This post was last modified: 11-07-2019 06:34 AM by Stephanv.)
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RE: Getting More HP From My Most Hated M40B18
Ok I'll take a nibble,

Question - How much is the above mods going to cost?

Proprer exhaust means nothing without propper headers/manifold
Chip from germany? Should be cheaper locally.
Cam - seems like you are are sorted there.

So here is my maths - this is only an estimate that i would think you will be paying

Exhaust without headers - 2 ish K
Exhaust with headers - 5+ K
Ecu - 5 K - i assume its a stand alone unit
Cam - 3K - you said

So you are looking at between 10-15K...

Mmmm , My advise nope.

Get a nice exhaust (freeflow)
Do some susspension mods and brakes and make the car more reliable and a more driver oriantated car.

PS. I am by no means an expert but thats is what my mind says.

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11-07-2019, 08:37 AM
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RE: Getting More HP From My Most Hated M40B18
I assume this is in an e30 318i yeah?
Just a quick one, are you sure about that cam pricing? Is that a new cam or re-profiling your original cam?

realistically, it is unlikely your car is still making 115hp after all these years, and getting it to 150hp won't be quite as easy.

You have 4 options:
- Leave it as is and enjoy
- Do your above mods and feel you going faster because the car sounds faster.
- Spend R20k+ on a stroker or mild turbo and get it up to 160-200hp.
- Do a full engine swap for around R25k with a Multivalve motor and get your 200hp without a sweat. Or chuck in an M20, which would cost you anything from R10k - 25k depending on how much you pay for the motor.

Bang for buck, the M40 just isn't really worth modding unfortunately

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11-07-2019, 09:13 AM
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RE: Getting More HP From My Most Hated M40B18
Start with maintenance, ie. get the lost ponies back into the stable.

Most people would tell you not to bother because of experience. BMW does not tend to leave much to play with in terms of performance (unlike say VW with their 8V engines which respond very well to tweaks).

Having said that, a modern A/M EFI system, well sorted exhaust with headers, cams, ITBs and some porting and polishing and you'll see the gain you want, would it be worth the spend?

Well to have it done properly by people who know what they're doing, using quality parts... It will probably cost the same as the car, so IMO nope, but it's your money...

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11-07-2019, 11:32 AM
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RE: Getting More HP From My Most Hated M40B18
Reply To Stephanv : Let me first say I DO appreciate your time and effort to reply... You are a car lover like me. Please DO NOT take my reply personally it is a public statement…

General Reply : as stated in my post above let me clarify :

Fact 0: I am a BMW fanatic especially older BMW’s!
Fact 1: I have other BMW’s but the engine in question is the M40!
Fact 2: I am not selling the car!
Fact 3: I am not swapping the engine at this time...
Fact 4: I am NOT installing turbo or Supercharger! I want to see what is possible with N.A.
Fact 5: I want more hp, I have 115hp I want 150hp. It is POSSIBLE!
Fact 6: I understand modifications cost money
Fact 7: I understand (some) people would not be interested in this project.
Fact 8: I understand this engine is BMW’s most hated and it is not easy to gain hp.
Fact 9: I understand that very FEW people have done this!
Fact10: I understand that this makes NO sense financially or in ANY other way!

Right now I am busy modifying that M40 engine when I am done with that then I might swap in the M42 and start playing with messing with that! Let's just call this a project car in which the challenge is to increase the hp without spending ridiculous amounts of money!

>Question - How much is the above mods going to cost?
I don't know... that is a discussion for another thread...

*** Exhaust Headers / Manifold ***

>Proper exhaust means nothing without proper headers/manifold
Oh okay thanks I did not know that... I thought I could remove the rear silencer and get easy gains... I don't even want a silencer, I would just put a straight pipe but the shop said I need a silencer for road worthy... I removed the cat and silencer from a Small Suzuki car but never changed the header and it made a MASSIVE difference. As far as I know the original 1.8 litre engine for the E30 was the M10B18 and then they designed the M40B18 (Computer Aided Design) to put into the E36 models and as part of testing they put the engine in a few E30’s! I am told that the design of the M40 ports and headers was excellent... and there are minimal gains to be had. Do you know otherwise?

>Exhaust headers - 3+ K
My cost for headers is 0k (no header change) or 1k (second hand wildcats) but I would only buy new headers if I was convinced that the BMW header was terrible. I think the header could be cleaned and polished and would provide almost the same performance for a fraction of the cost. Anyone with experience with M40 headers who can advise?

*** Exhaust Silencer ***

>Get a nice exhaust (freeflow)
>So here is my maths - this is only an estimate that i would think you will be paying
>Exhaust without headers - 2 ish K
My cost for straight pipe 0.25k for a free flow silencer <1k or for INOX silencer <2k! I am thinking change the rear exhaust for an open exhaust, it seems a cheap way to gain a nice sound and 5% more hp.

*** ECU / Performance Chip ***

>ECU - 5 K - i assume it’s a stand alone unit
My cost for ECU - ZERO. I think there is some confusion here. All E30 ECU's are stand alone units. Do you know anything about the E30? You pull the ECU and replace the main chip.... and put the SAME ECU back into the car so I really don't know what you mean about a stand alone unit. As stated in my original post I don’t want to add turbo / charger so no reason to replace the ECU. I think your advise relates to non BMW cars even in my E36 I don't need to change the ECU I just plug it into a computer and reprogram it...... perhaps you mean newer models?

>Chip from Germany? Should be cheaper locally.
NO actually it was way cheaper in Europe... I bought a Jim Conforti Turner Chip in Europe after specialist BMW chip tuners in SA told me they had zero interest in making a chip for me... their eyes rolled and they said any chip they make would blow up my engine... jokers… only interested in BIG cash and not realising I own more then one BMW and they lost a customer for LIFE!!!

*** CAMS ***

>Cam - 3K - you said
>Cam - seems like you are sorted there.
Sorted there? I don’t know, that is why I am asking… has anyone changed the cam in this engine? What were the gains, what durations did you use for the intake and exhaust? How did it affect idle?

>So you are looking at between 10-15K...
Nope my calculation is 5K but you are missing the point!

>Mmmm , My advise nope.
Nope as in NO don’t do it?

>Do some suspension mods, brakes and make the car more reliable and a more driver orientated car.
I strongly disagree I believe a BMW is very reliable and IS a driver orientated. I am sorry if you had a bad experience in the past but this is NOT how most BMW drivers feel. Suspension, brake mods that is a discussion for another thread...

>PS. I am by no means an expert but that’s is what my mind says.
I am sorry if my reply is / was in anyway disrespectful... it is not personal but a general rant!!! I love My Dog 318i, yes the brakes are awful but it is light as hell and handles like a dream with some light suspension mods and I love driving the car. And I love the character of the engine, no power low and then very sporting from 3500 ROM up… I love my 4 banger Dog and no ones is going to convince me otherwise... it’s like trying to convince a man who likes blondes that red heads are way better… or like convincing a poodle owner that a Staffordshire or bull dog is the only dog they need… it just isn’t going to happen…

Thanks for your reply!

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11-07-2019, 11:40 AM (This post was last modified: 11-07-2019 11:43 AM by Jeremy.d.)
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RE: Getting More HP From My Most Hated M40B18
Okay...so as a fellow M40 driver, let me just be blunt.
Your facts listed above are correct. This is in no way, shape or form worth the time, money or effort.
BUT, since you're stuck on the idea of wasting your money, the things you've described will give you some gains, and hopefully give you the 150HP you're looking for. Go ahead. Stop asking people when we both know you've already made your mind up.

I will say this: You want to make an additional 35HP, assuming that your car still makes stock power after all this time? Are you jas? M42/44 swap it and be happy. Biglol

EDIT: I also think your expected gains are very optimistic.
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11-07-2019, 11:52 AM (This post was last modified: 11-07-2019 11:59 AM by JamesBlackSignUp.)
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RE: Getting More HP From My Most Hated M40B18
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>I assume this is in an e30 318i yeah?
Engine was used in E30/E36

>Just a quick one, are you sure about that cam pricing? Is that a new cam or re-profiling your original cam?
Yes I spoke to them yesterday. They said regrinding the cam is a pain due to the hydraulic lifters so it is better they cut a fresh cam from a billet. Is 3k expensive?

>Realistically, it is unlikely your car is still making 115hp after all these years, and getting it to 150hp won't be quite as easy.
I agree but you don’t know the history of the car and I have been regaining hp for months with repairs and services and now I have reached that limits of that and I am thus turning to modifications…

>Do your above mods and feel you are going faster because the car sounds faster.
Of course I 1000% agree, have you ever driven in a Lotus 7 and accelerated to 60km and it feels fantastic and then driven in a new BIG expensive MERC or BMW and accelerated to 120km and almost didn’t notice because it was so smooth and you are so so isolated from the road… I care NOTHING about statistics on paper BUT I care everything about HOW the car feels to ME!!!

>Spend R20k+ on a stroker or mild turbo and get it up to 160-200hp.
The 318 is already a stroker of the 318i incase you don’t know that… yes I could take it to 2.1.
Please see original post above

>Do a full engine swap for around R25k with a Multivalve motor and get your 200hp
Please see original post.

>Bang for buck, the M40 just isn't really worth modding unfortunately
Please see original post
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Reply to Kyle :
>Start with maintenance, ie. get the lost ponies back into the stable.
Agreed! Good Advise! And 95% Done!

>Most people would tell you not to bother because of experience. BMW does not tend to leave much to play with in terms of performance (unlike say VW with their 8V engines which respond very well to tweaks).
Agreed

>Having said that, a modern A/M EFI system, Interesting… what do you mean a modern A/M? Do you mean AFM? Modern EFI system interesting… do you mean changing the injectors… I have just done major research into this area and no one can tell me the answer…

>A well sorted exhaust with headers, yes I will start with the silencer and keep going if I do not reach my hp goal.

> Some porting and polishing
Yes I thought that might help but I noticed the ports are small but almost perfectly matched to the gaskets and headers.

> You'll see the gain you want, would it be worth the spend?
See original post above and thanks

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11-07-2019, 12:03 PM
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RE: Getting More HP From My Most Hated M40B18
Quote:Having said that, a modern A/M EFI system, Interesting… what do you mean a modern A/M? Do you mean AFM? Modern EFI system interesting… do you mean changing the injectors… I have just done major research into this area and no one can tell me the answer…

Aftermarket fuel management would be interesting, since the car has a rather old school system as standard. You should also get the injectors serviced.

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11-07-2019, 12:23 PM
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RE: Getting More HP From My Most Hated M40B18
Simply put, There is no replacement for displacement.

you want power, get the proper engine.
Just my 2 cents

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11-07-2019, 12:39 PM
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RE: Getting More HP From My Most Hated M40B18
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Oh my goodness where to start… you seem to be totally missing the point… You say stop asking people when we both know you've already made your mind up… The entire point of a forum is to share experience and interests… Just because I want to do this and not what you would do does not mean I stop asking my questions.

I do appreciate that you are a fellow M40 driver and thus may have something constructive to contribute however if you are not interested in what I am doing then read another thread which interests you…

>The things you've described will give you some gains, and hopefully give you the 150HP you're looking for. Go ahead. Stop asking people when we both know you've already made your mind up.

Yes I have done a lot of research but the reason people come to forums is to speak to other owners who have the same car and may have done modifications and may wish to share their experiences. If you have not modified your M40 then at least give others the chance to respond…. Okay?

>I will say this: You want to make an additional 35HP, assuming that your car still makes stock power after all this time? Are you jas? M42/44 swap it and be happy.
Yes please re-read my original and 2nd post above. Basically you are right I am trying to turn the M40 into the M42, that is exactly my goal plus 12hp.

> EDIT: I also think your expected gains are very optimistic.
You think it is very optimistic when I am talking about 25hp gains??? I think it is very possible… infact I think my expectations are conservative… for example I have seen a Throttle body kit for sale from dbilas dynamics which promises 20hp gains but but has someone on the forum actually done that? What was your experience with changing to ITB’s and how much did you gain? Some people say 0hp gains but a very responsive car. It all depends which engine... every engine responds differently to modifications that is why I need to hear from people with actually experience with the M40 engine...

Any idiot can get power from a bigger engine… or swap in a bigger engine or buy a different car... that is not the point… Let someone say else it better then I can :

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The main reason we choose to do this is just for fun!!!
NOT because I want to have the fastest E30!!!

I want to drive fast I will just take the Z…


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11-07-2019, 01:04 PM
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Yoh...this thread has escalated quicklyTiptoe

I need popcorn

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11-07-2019, 01:25 PM
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An exercise in futility

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11-07-2019, 01:54 PM
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RE: Getting More HP From My Most Hated M40B18
For Some obscure reason I see the forum is having an issue replying directly to posts.

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Perhaps you are missing the point.
We are offering advice from a collective experience, not perhaps in modifying the m40 in particular, but a wealth of experience within the community from varied backgrounds and experiences.

The chances your car still has 115hp after all these years, without a full rebuild, is unlikely, and even then.
To get power out of an Atmospheric engine without increasing the general bore, stroke and compression is a difficult task in itself, but as you say, not impossible.

Where are you based first of all? If you are above sea level, already you at a loss. Possibly your biggest gain ever would be driving to the coast.

ITB's will help getting air into the engine, but that being said, local tuners don't have the experience needed in this nowadays.
Getting a replacement Eprom unit will yield power gains, but again, I wouldn't expect feeling terribly much difference.
Looking into a Dicktator management or something of the like will more than likely yield better results.
Exhaust, well you will need more than a rear silencer delete. Headers and decat as well as making sure there is enough back pressure in the exhaust to make any noticeable yieild.
If vd linde can get you a cam at R3k, that's a good price. Something like a 276 degree cam would fit the bill nicely.

At the end of the day, I would say, go dyno your car, see what its pushing currently as a baseline, then start your modding according to your vast research and then go and dyno again and report back. Keen to hear it.

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11-07-2019, 01:54 PM
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chuck toyota ITBS on..reprofile cams..flow the head..raise compression..header & exhaust.

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11-07-2019, 02:10 PM
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It's been a while since we had crazy on the forum...


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oh and what Z?

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11-07-2019, 02:29 PM
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Asking for advice before an introductory thread and still having a lot to say to far more experienced members on the forum..Tiptoe

Oh and, Xscuseless

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11-07-2019, 02:30 PM
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RE: Getting More HP From My Most Hated M40B18
So you're gonna write that long reply to me and then still tell me I'm wrong?

You're not looking for reasonable advice; you're looking for someone to validate this crack pipe idea that you came up with. It's not going to happen.

As the other guys above keep telling you: Yes, you can make more power with the things you're suggesting, but whether you'll be able to hit your goal is another thing altogether.

Go ahead, go big cams, ITBs, remap, exhaust....whatever you want. Your car, your money, your choice...maybe we'll all learn something worthwhile in the process... But if/when it doesn't work out the way you think it will, in your world where the advertised 20hp gains from a throttle body kit are actually real, don't say you weren't warned.

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11-07-2019, 03:17 PM (This post was last modified: 11-07-2019 03:24 PM by Stephanv.)
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RE: Getting More HP From My Most Hated M40B18
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Bud i dont take any offence to your reply. Like you said its an open Forum.

I am as big a petrol head as many and more on this forum. Cthulhu

Like many others have said. Your car your cash. If your car came with 86odd kw when new and now you want to achieve 112 kw with your mods then try it.

I woul just put the car on a dyno 1st and then reasses your plans. If your car made 86kw when new (lets say on the wheels) i would be shocked if it makes 70 now. Remember, there is wear on engines, compression drops etc.

So get it on a dyno and check, a simple service will not resore 16+kw.

Please put pics of your car on here. omg waiting

A stand alone Ecu like a Haltec or Dicktator will allow for more tuning thats what i meant when say that in my 1st post. ITB's is a bitch to get right and will be super heavy on fuel. You mentioned a carbon clean in a previous post, that might yeald 3-5kw if that at the most in a NA car (again from what i have been told).

We all on here love cars and projects alot. There have been many guys with crazy ideas on here asking for info. Then info was given and they all went underground to lick there wounds. Please dont follow suit. If you have what it takes (money) then do as your hart desires.

Do as you mentioned, prove everything with a measurable form ie. dyno sheet and get all of us to shut up and give you Praise

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11-07-2019, 03:18 PM (This post was last modified: 11-07-2019 03:19 PM by evnmopwr.)
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RE: Getting More HP From My Most Hated M40B18
@jeremey.d

We will definitely learn something..

how not to do things..

@JamesBlackSignUp
It seems you already convinced yourself that its fun to waste your money.
We all have our little projects we working on.
While gains is possible, U asked people on this forum for advice and most them are telling you its a waste of time.

Explain to me how Swopping in a bigger engine is not fun??

I wished you luck on your project and you response to me is this??
"Any idiot can get power from a bigger engine… or swap in a bigger engine or buy a different car... that is not the point… Let someone say else it better then I can" Thumbdown

In this case, Im happy to be the idiot Thumbs

you probably angry cause mense on the e30 forum also told you you Jas. LOL..

As of now, your messages will not get a reply from me..

Still, good luck with your Goals and project and I hope you can prove everyone wrong.

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