Guidelines on buying a second hand BMW

applehero

///Member
So I was thinking that it was probably a good idea to start a thread about what good precautions to take in order to not get taken advantage of by the seller when buying a second hand car.

From a technical point of view I think the following steps would go along way in buying a 2nd hand BMW:

Take down the VIN, and put this into www.realoem.com... This will give you the manufacture date, so you won't get caught out when buying what you think is a 2007 model, which is actually a 2005 model. Also, if the car has been debadged, you can check which was the actual motor that came with the car.

I've heard that you can also get hold of BMW (dealership or SA - not sure which) and check whether the vehicle has been in any accidents or any big claims on motorplan.

I think it would help all of us if everyone could post their hints... :thumbsup:

I think some more guidelines in terms of paperwork and ownership will go a long way.
 

msm

Well-known member
Also some dealers are willing to give you MP history (and comments) and some insist on proving ownership first ... would be good to have a few "friendly" dealers listed ...
 

Hellas

///Member
msm said:
Also some dealers are willing to give you MP history (and comments) and some insist on proving ownership first ... would be good to have a few "friendly" dealers listed ...

+1 good to have a friend on the inside.
 

zaleonardz

Well-known member
Well here is a couple of tips specifically for BMW

1. All you need is the copy of the reg papers, and fax it through to motorplan, tell them you are buying the car, and the car is currently at a second hand dealer, they should give you the history.

2. Every second hand dealer knows about point 1, if they dont want to give it to you, then suspect something fishy.

3. BMW will only be notified of an accident if a car has been taken to an apporoved BMW panel beater, somebody would do this to keep the warentee, that means, only serious accidents. A door or or a bonnet can easily be replaced through somebody else, there is no link between your personal insurance and BMW motorplan, your insurance will not insist on listing the repair with BMW, do not be fooled.

General Car tips, applicable to all cars. - Part 1

WHen you are looking at a car at a dealer, ask him what trade and retail is on the car.

How it works is that the dealer gets a book, indicating a fair market value for a car, trade is what the dealer should be paying you, retail is what they should be selling at.

You never ever pay retail, except on small late model cars, Kia's Picanto's, toyota Yaris, that sort of thing, but in a fine luxury vehicle, you always pay below retail, if the dealer has a car at retail, say a 2007 320d for 200k, and he says the reason why its so high is cause the car is in excellent condition, bla bla bla, ignore him.

You should pay 40k behind book on such a car. end of discussion

Here are some simple truth that determines car values, age and km's... that is it, condition, funny enough is not that important, mechanical is not a priority for the dealer, features such as sat nav or bla means nothing to the price. Even if they are highlighted in the book to add 20k on for satnav... it means nothing do not pay it, as you will not get that 20k when you trade it in, no dealer will pay for extra's on a buy, its age and kms...

Try this when buying a car.

Speak to the owner, and ask to borrow the car for the afternoon, then take the car past a couple of dealerships, usually 1 OEM and 2 second hand dealers, and tell them that its your car, and you want to trade it in, how much will they give you for it.

This will give you 2 bits of info, firstly, it will give you a market indication of what the car is actually worth, and if you can trade it for 80k, are you going to pay 200k.

Secondly, the buying dealer will find any faults in paint and bodywork, and use that to knock off the price..

Let me know if you guys need some more tips, I can write a book on this topic.
 

applehero

///Member
Now that's some good advice... :thumbsup: Thanks zaleonardz.

What I don't get... Why don't dealers take extras into account? A private buyer will definitely do so...

So after the price hike that the dealers put on a car, is it worthwhile then selling privately? Cos you could obviously get more cash when you sell. But by going through a dealership you have some third party that is accountable. For example (very extreme example) if a car was a stolen car, you can go back to the dealership and have some kind of recourse. But if it's done privately, you will never find that guy again.

Also, how would you go about selling/buying a car privately? Cos you need to make some kind of payment. If the vehicle price is high enough where a cash transaction is not really possible, say R200K +, how do you organise the physical transaction?
 

zaleonardz

Well-known member
Take a step back, and think of a 2nd hand dealer quickly.

If he is stocking fine vehicles, he has probably between 1 and 3 million bucks of stock on his floor, and he needs some kind of safe guard.

Each dealer has got contacts, and funny enough, if you look at a dealers floor, you can see what kind of stock he keeps, you get some dealers that know Merc very well, 60% of his floor is filled with Mercs, and the rest are others, this dealer will buy Mercs...

So, if your a dealer, you phone your buddy that buys Merc, and say I have a 06 Merc C 220 CDI with 100,000 on the clock, and it needs 20k in recon (tires worn, lights cracked and so forth). The Merc dealer will give him wht is called a cover price, "I will buy this car from you for 140k", so now the 2nd hand dealer has got some sort of insurance, if he cannot sell it, he has 140k for the car. This probably was a telephone call, the merc dealer has never seen the car, he is going purely by numbers. so the second hand dealer will probably offer you 130 or even 140k for the car, cause he has insurance on it.

This entire transaction went around age and KM's. but that is exactly how it goes down, 20k for Sat nav additionally for SAT nav means nothing, cause at the end of the day, the dealer might have 3 220 CDI's to move, in a hurry, hence the extra's get excluded. the guy will put the car on the floor for the lowest value possible, because he has to sit with it for 6 months perhaps.

Think of it this way, take the 140k cash that the dealer has to pay for this car, if it sits for 6 months, he is loosing interest off of that money, he is loosing future revenues, he could have bought 2 toyota yaris's for that cash and have sold them already, hence the more the car cost, the more risk the dealer takes.

As for private sales, there is so much fraud going around, that this is a really risky business. I have heard stories where guys come to your house to pay you 100k cash for a car, and they do so. 15 minutes later 5 guys burst into your house with guns, and rob you, cause they know you have 100k cash on the property.

Further, there is stolen vehciles, damaged vehicles, code 3 vehicles (written off) all of those wonderful things, if you buy for an accredited dealer you avoid such risks.

Here are some tips for buying privately.
1. You can finance a private vehicle, using AA or Wesbank Private 2 Private finance, use this service.
2. You never do a deal at your house
3. You never deal in cash, tell the gentleman you will pay him in bank garenteed cheque, and you will meet him at his bank to deposit the csh with him.
4. If somebody is buying the car from you, same story, no cash, no bank transfers, bank cheque, and he meets you at your branch with the bank cheque to deposit the cash in.
5. Most dealers will faciliate a private transaction for you on their floor for a small fee, say 3k, they will buy the car, put it through their books, and do the deal, with a profit of 3k for them.
6. If you buy from a bank or through a dealer, you know that the vehicle will be checked against the Natis database, and any "stolen" or code 3 declarations will be picked up.
7. Try and get as many documents in place containing the sellers ID or company CC number, insurance record, old license renewal papers, stuff like that.
8. Try and get a fixed location for the seller, house, work ect, if he does not want to meet you at one of his fixed locations, and say only at a shopping center, or at your place, suspect funnies.

This is how I buy cars, as I change my family car once every 2 years.
1. I have buddies in the trade, that I know by name, I can buy a car from Colin, and Colin knows exactly how I like my cars, clean, neat, and what I am willing to pay for them, and I have a deal with Colin that if I buy a car from you, I can trade it 2 years later having put 40k on the clock, and you are going to give me x for the car.

2. I have a private dealer who I trade company cars with, Stellios always looks after me and gives me the right money for cars, I know how his mind works, he knows whatab I want, so if the money is right, I can sell a car usually in about 30 minutes, because I respect the fact that he needs to make a profit, but I will not buy from him at a premium price either, I have traded about 10 company cars with Stallios over the last 2 years alone,

Know people, go spend time at your local dealerships, if you like Merc, find the guy that likes selling Merc, sit in his office, get to know him, "shoot the shit a bit", its worth it.
 

applehero

///Member
Some great advice there Zaleonardz. :)

It seems like dealing 2nd hand can be quite risky, but by doing the above you can reduce your risk considerably.
 

Raybimmer

New member
Thanks Leonard :thumbsup:
Realoem to check VIN , may not be 100% accurate , checked 325i E30 sedan and it showed up as a coupe !!!
 

TJHanekom

New member
Currently Looking into buying a 2002 745i with around 141000km on the clock, both the interior and exterioir has had some neglect and once started the OBC comes up with the following messages, Suspension failure, brake repair.
Could someone let me know what the repair costs are for something like this, and also if the price of R140K is in line?
 

psykro

New member
andrewbuch said:
Just phone any dealer & ask for motor plan person

Thanks will do in future, took to long and the car went.

On this topic, is there a thread in this forum that lists 'trusted' second hand bmw dealers by city. Would be handy to know for future bmw purchases. (this will be my first, don't want to buy a lemon)
 

haXor

Member
Any comments about buying used cars from auctions, like parkvillageauctions.co.za and aucor.com

They seem to sell some low mileage cars there, and a MiWay consultant just told be he bought a 2006 SMG M3 with 24K on the clock for about R124K.
 

BMW M

///Member
Hi Guys,

I can recommend Pieter Geyer from Pinnacle Auto (BMW dealership) in Secunda. He doesnt beat around the bush and he and his team walks the extra mile everytime. Our whole family are BMW owners (7 cars in total ranging from 3, 5, 7 and X3's) I just bought a privately sourced 2007 320d Motorsport through him in less than 24hrs.

This included a trade-in from my side which he arranged and the transfer of the motorplan, quality check and vehicle registration and road worthy. He works country wide.

Contact details are as follows:

Pinnacle Auto - 017 642 8000
Pieter Geyer - 0828808074

You can say Jakkie recommended him.
 
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