M340i vs 330i

MR_Y

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Hi,

I just watched a video by Liberebil today on the M340i:

Yes, this car is brilliant for what it is and will likely give the S4 and C43 sleepless nights.
Some (including Car Magazine SA) have said that it is pretty good enough to be a full fat M car.

However, this admittedly great car is R1,090,616 - without options.

Now, forget the R130k cheaper S4 (slightly lower on power) and similarly priced C43, and let's consider bang-for-buck from within the current 3-series stable (so, no M3 for now).

For R300k less you can get an M-sport 330i.
Yes, power is only 190kw vs 285kw and 400Nm vs 500Nm.
But is R300k really worth 95kw and 100Nm extra, plus AWD, plus some slight visual differences.
The standard spec sheets on both cars are almost identical (the R1m M340i comes with 18 inch wheels as standard, just like the 330i M-sport).

Now, if we throw in the new 330d into the mix, things get interesting.
The 330d comes standard with M-sport spec for about R210k less than the M340i. 
Sure, there are different driving characteristics between a 6-cylinder diesel and petrol model (granted, both are turbos), but performance on the 330d should feel tangibly closer to the M340i instead of the 330i.

My prediction is that come the full fat M3, those buyers who are fortunate enough to buy a R1m+ car will likely gravitate to the M3 - the difference in financing between these cars for those who are truly well-heeled will mean little. 

In the just sub-R1m bracket, I expect that buyers would go for the 330i or the 330d (I would go 330d).

This means that the M340i would likely end up being side-lined and depreciation on these cars would be a lot worse than the M3 and the 330i/d models.

So, 3-4 years from now, we can expect some good deals on M340i models...
 

MR_Y

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IWannaGoFast said:
Added to this is that 1 or 2 year old M3/M4 fully specced are also around the 1.1m mark

Good point.

I also wonder if the family man who used to buy a performance sedan would now consider a performance SUV.
For that price you can get a low mileage X3 M40i (or even better - X3 M40d)
 

VinceM

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Who would have thought a non-M 3 series would cost a million bucks in 2020!

Popcorn!


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yush1

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Some good points. The same can be said for the F30 340i. New in they were close to 900k. I think that is why they have depreciated so badly. The M340i is likely to follow suit. The 330d remains my choice, or maybe just wait a year or 2 for the M340i to lose 30% of its value, then it may be a good buy. I did hear some rumors that BMW maybe wanting to discontinue the 330d going forward due to poor sales. I dont think there is a direct comparison between the M340i and the F80 M3. The 2 cars are very different. Most would opt for the newer tech and safety of the x drive and a proper auto opposed to the DCT. Only a real driver would chose the F80 M3. It will be interesting how the new M3 will do in terms of sales considering where it comes in terms of price. Perfect choice will be the M340d if it had to come to SA.  :smilebounce:
 

MR_Y

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individj said:
if i was in the market for one and could get a 330d id rather push for the 340i...

Interestingly enough, the X3 M40d (240kw/680Nm) is slightly cheaper than the X3 M40i (285kw/500Nm).
If BMW brings the M340d to SA, and prices it below the M340i, it will be game over for the M340i and the 330d.

Judging from history (and issues on this forum), the diesel would be the better long term used buy.


VinceM said:
Who would have thought a non-M 3 series would cost a million bucks in 2020!

Popcorn!


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For R1m, I would not want a car that look like a 318i with an M-Kit.
The C43 sedan looks a bit more butch and purposeful than a C180 in AMG kit.
BMW pulled an Audi move by making the M340i look a bit too subdued for the price. 

The S4 does look way more bland than the M340i, but at least it is not priced at a very large premium over the A4 2.0T (185kw) model (which was recently discontinued, given how close the pricing was).
 

individj

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you're probably not wrong but i know i would never own these outside of motorplan ... personally im a petrol guy....just me...i would never ever buy the 330i or 330d if i can buy the //M340i.. ive also never been a practical person ...ive never gone for the safe option.
 

MR_Y

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@"individj" wise words indeed - "i know i would never own these outside of motorplan"
 

individj

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i must say...i drove past a CLA45 on Saturday and nearly broke my neck...the amount of lust....it was so hot...white with black wheels...that nice AMG grill.
 

yush1

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individj said:
if i was in the market for one and could get a 330d id rather push for the 340i...
Bear in mind the reliability issues of the previous B58 even though they make good power. If I'm not mistaken i think the latest S4 is a diesel.
 

individj

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yush1 said:
individj said:
if i was in the market for one and could get a 330d id rather push for the 340i...
Bear in mind the reliability issues of the previous B58 even though they make good power. If I'm not mistaken i think the latest S4 is a diesel.
i hear you but i wouldnt dare own any of these outside of a plan. Mercs, Audis, BMs
 

MR_Y

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yush1 said:
individj said:
if i was in the market for one and could get a 330d id rather push for the 340i...
Bear in mind the reliability issues of the previous B58 even though they make good power. If I'm not mistaken i think the latest S4 is a diesel.

S4 in UK is diesel.
S4 in SA is petrol.
Weird, I know.
 

MR_Y

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My mate bought an M340i new late last year.
His diff has given him issues recently and needed replacing (under Plan).
He has also had electric gremlins on the infotainment side.
I will try to get more details from him, but he is not a happy customer, given that it is a million Rand car (and he added pricey options too)!
He does not drive the car hard and has no tuning on it.
He had a 2013 F10 530d (with ACS mods from new) before this car and is now looking at a new 5 series to replace his M340i.
His 530d had zero issues since new and was traded-in with over 150,000km on the clock.
 

GravityLee

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My mate bought an M340i new late last year.
His diff has given him issues recently and needed replacing (under Plan).
He has also had electric gremlins on the infotainment side.
I will try to get more details from him, but he is not a happy customer, given that it is a million Rand car (and he added pricey options too)!
He does not drive the car hard and has no tuning on it.
He had a 2013 F10 530d (with ACS mods from new) before this car and is now looking at a new 5 series to replace his M340i.
His 530d had zero issues since new and was traded-in with over 150,000km on the clock.

1 bar 3 series. What a time to be alive :)
 

VinceM

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My mate bought an M340i new late last year.
His diff has given him issues recently and needed replacing (under Plan).
He has also had electric gremlins on the infotainment side.
I will try to get more details from him, but he is not a happy customer, given that it is a million Rand car (and he added pricey options too)!
He does not drive the car hard and has no tuning on it.
He had a 2013 F10 530d (with ACS mods from new) before this car and is now looking at a new 5 series to replace his M340i.
His 530d had zero issues since new and was traded-in with over 150,000km on the clock.

Isn’t that better to always avoid first year models? They are more of hit or miss.

BMW learns from customer feedback and tweak and resolve issues in next batches,
LCI even better.




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lebofa

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Isn’t that better to always avoid first year models? They are more of hit or miss.

BMW learns from customer feedback and tweak and resolve issues in next batches,
LCI even better.




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mine are the first batches and no complaints. I'm happy with both the G20 and G05, granted i do not use them as often as the F30 but everytime I drive either one, my heart just melts. The only regret is taking two black cars, I should have went with a different color on the G20.
 

SanM

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My mate bought an M340i new late last year.
His diff has given him issues recently and needed replacing (under Plan).
He has also had electric gremlins on the infotainment side.
I will try to get more details from him, but he is not a happy customer, given that it is a million Rand car (and he added pricey options too)!
He does not drive the car hard and has no tuning on it.
He had a 2013 F10 530d (with ACS mods from new) before this car and is now looking at a new 5 series to replace his M340i.
His 530d had zero issues since new and was traded-in with over 150,000km on the clock.
Not a 5 series, but can probably get an E90 330d lci for around the R180k mark.
So that's about a R900k difference which doesn't seem worth it. Spend R10k on pipes and stage1, and the real world performance difference decreases substantially. Lastly, reliability on these engines vanquishes the difference almost entirely! Same would apply for the 530d.
 

MR_Y

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Not a 5 series, but can probably get an E90 330d lci for around the R180k mark.
So that's about a R900k difference which doesn't seem worth it. Spend R10k on pipes and stage1, and the real world performance difference decreases substantially. Lastly, reliability on these engines vanquishes the difference almost entirely! Same would apply for the 530d.
My mate is a medical doctor and for some reason doctors only buy new cars 🙂
 

FiRi@Rennzport

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Not a 5 series, but can probably get an E90 330d lci for around the R180k mark.
So that's about a R900k difference which doesn't seem worth it. Spend R10k on pipes and stage1, and the real world performance difference decreases substantially. Lastly, reliability on these engines vanquishes the difference almost entirely! Same would apply for the 530d.
Are you listening to yourself

I own and e90 and love it, but the difference between the e90 and G20 is immense, and I'm not talking performance only. Yes the prices are heavy and by no means cheap, but in all honesty the 2 cars CANNOT be compared as the g20 is just miles ahead. Drivetrain, chassis, interior, tech etc etc etc. Its leagues ahead of the f30 and lightyear of the e90 IMHO.

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