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Project Drift Monster_Continued
05-03-2013, 12:27 PM
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Guys,

This is my intro to Project Drift Monster - associated pics to follow, so no asking yet.Just needed to start my build thread first.

Now some might know about this car from the e30 Club forum.(all progress pictures lost)

This car started its life back in '89 as a BMW 320i 4 Door.

A friend of mine decided to strip out and turbocharge the car, this went very well up until the point where he ran out of interest and I decided to take it off his hands. It stood for years and needless to say, it was pretty ruined when i got a hold of it. Faded paint, rat crap in any nock and cranny.

I started gutting the car to a bare shell. Stripped out interior which I sold, any other groceries that werent needed(A/C, seatbelts etc). Upon inspecting the motor, many trick bits had been added and worked on the 325i motor, including o-ringing of the block and lubrication innovations on the crank bearings). Motor was refreshed but never got around to getting it swung over. Long story short - I had an opportunity to get my hands on a very scarce, yet respected motor from back in the 60-70's in the form of a mighty v8 Chevy 327. Some might sayThumbdown, yet I stand firm to what I believe and what I have been told about these motors. Rhett325 kindly purchased the charged motor for his project build. This helped source other needed parts.

I have not yet included pics as I haven't had a chance to take some. Hail hit the car pretty K@k last year October with our crazy weather, so over and above the already deteriorating paint work, its got some teenage pimples everywhere...not serious as I am currently weighing up the options of not respraying at all as this will be my development car. Below I shall brief our group of Fanatics on what was done to fit the might lump.

Step one:
1) Completely gut the car - Interior, wiring, sound deadening, accesories and so on.

2)Install 8 point roll cage fitted at TNT for a fair price. Some might question their ability, but I go where it makes financial sense as at this point, I was prepping myself to be a Father.(So figures had to make sense)

3)Source the parted 327 Chevy. This included, 2 Blocks(great condition). 2 Cranks, Cams, heads, a Complete single or dual carb Edelbrock tunnel ram manifold(worth ~7k).

4)With chatting to good family friends, I was introduced to a Chevy Guru, Andre! Andre is a great man with a heart of solid 24k gold! This man has over many years, fiddled, fondeled and fortified his Chevy 327's - Hence the choice for this man to build me a relatively stock and reliable 327 which would be used for drifting and perhaps a drag strip run or two.
Some upgrades done on the stock motor:
Old school Quadrojet carb,imported LS1 intake manifold(swopped for Tunnel ram mani), Uprated Valve springs, Swirling of the combustion chamber inlet, SpeedPro cam, HEI Distributor,modified Ram horn headers.

5)In addition to having my motor built with Andre, Andre has also toyed with many an Automatic box - mainly the 350,400 turbo box. Now many might say, you cant drift an AutoRofl...but waitIdea - there is more. Andre does some mods to the internals on the Turbo box to allow better lock up under accelaration - coupled together with an uprated B&M torque converter(2500Rpm stall converter) - power delivery should be crisp and firm thru the drive train. An upgrade from rubber dampening components to Poly Urethane at a later stage should see a better overall response.

6)Andre borrowed me his mock 327 and 350T g/box combo to pre-fit into my e30. Retaining the stock sump(which bulges to the back of the motor-flexplate side) I positioned the motor over the stock cross member forcing the rest of the motor back into the firewall. I done this as i wanted little to no custom components for ease of replacement and maintenance. Along with the help of my uncle - We started cutting away on the e30 shell to get this beast of a motor in. I must say, I anticipated cutting a lot less, but to my shock and horror, I cut back quite a bit, but the result is a motor that sits approx30-50mm over the cross brace - which should make for some handling benefits considereing the weight of the new power lump. Changes to the steering column position as well as a smaller brake booster retro-fit as the original brake booster diameter is to big to allow the 327 in. Changes to the hanging pedal system were made too. Only a modified e30 brake pedal hangs from under the dash now.

7)After many hours and weekends spent, cutting, grinding and swearing I can happily say, that the mock up motor and box have been fitted. I am in the final interior preperation stages which will finish off the interior bits and allow for a final sand and prime - I am looking to use a Black etch primer as it is tough as nails and will last a good couple of years if applied correctly. I initially wanted to make a show car, but now - its all come down to practicality as well as financial sensibility.

I have opened myself up to massive criticism for doing what I have done and i welcome anyone to comment and crit as this will be helpful in the motivation to finish this 4+ year project....but lets all look at the upside - at least I havent defaced it with a Ford Biglol...hahahaha! Will probably get flek from the Ford V8 lovers...LOL..I am creating a unique car, for a unique person, and for a unique purpose!

This is my intro - once I start adding pictures - I will elaborate and explain the challenges and tribulations of this build.

I have also noticed, not many Drift car builds on this forum, actually none...(I stand to be corrected). So I would like to show my progress and development to the guys that are truly interested, in not only the sport, but much rather the conversion.

I state without prejudice - that i am open to criticism, yet - I request that this be constructive. cause if you dont got anything nice to say...dont say it at all...but feel free to laugh your head off behind closed doors...Tease

More to follow in the next installment of Project - DriftMonsterTy
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05-03-2013, 01:13 PM
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AWESOME!!

Look forward to pics Thumbs

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05-03-2013, 05:02 PM
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RE: Project Drift Monster_Continued
a 327 chevy motor is an awesome motor when done right
would be better with a 4barrel holly carb
its going to be a rough on tyres
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06-03-2013, 08:29 AM
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RE: Project Drift Monster_Continued
(05-03-2013 05:02 PM)hennie Wrote:  a 327 chevy motor is an awesome motor when done right
would be better with a 4barrel holly carb
its going to be a rough on tyres

Oom Hennie, I heard its a great motor, I just cant wait to have mine breathe some fire through it. I am will be testing my current setup with the Quad as I didnt want to fork out money unnecessarily. Want to try the combination first - and then chop and change if needs be.

Hennie, you know I am good for tires...LOL! Worst case i will swop out the semi's for some 2nd hand road tyres....Has your monster chompe those tyres you took from me the last time? Do they yeild a bit of traction for you?
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06-03-2013, 09:10 PM
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RE: Project Drift Monster_Continued
jay my monster is now a puppy without a motor busy rebuilding the chassis suspension and then a brand new power plant aiming for +/-300kw on the fly normal aspirated
the tires still got 60-% live left for the new power plant that’s coming but it will take a while before completion im at this stage doing 3 guys work as we are short staffed then i also have 3 month of training in Switzerland sometime this year
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12-03-2013, 10:48 AM
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Have you received any quotes from TNT for a cage? If yes what sort of cost did you get?

Thanks

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12-03-2013, 10:53 AM (This post was last modified: 12-03-2013 11:04 AM by JayDrft.)
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Hey Brucet

I had my cage done at TNT...total cost for an 8 point cage(tied to front and read shock towers) with the correct wall thickness tube - ~R5000. Ok now I will comment, its cheap but what my budget called for...I pay a premium for my medical aid...so I weighed up the situation...I will add, TNT do have there ups and downs, but in general, when you see the pedigree of cars coming out of that workshop - you will understand that you dont have absolute babboons working on your car. I just found my quality was down cause i didnt check and moan about it. I also didnt ask for a R20k cage either.

In my opinion, they could have done the cage a lot better, but like i say - my budget called for it, and it was done with ease.

Now for an update pertaining to this.

UPDATE!

This past weekend I got my car back at my parents place.

Long story short - the job was somewhat rushed and welding was appauling. The welding and finishes didnt meet my standard before sealing the welds and prepping for paint.

I have secured a good welder which has undertaken to finish this job off well for me. I just want peace of mind, that once I have sealed up the seams, that the integrity is good.

I also went thru the car where a lot of cutting had occured, and trimmed off and ground rough edges and burrs off. Applied some tin can primer to prevent any rusting as a temporary solution. It looks a whole lot better and unfortunatly it makes the K@k welding stand proud...so I will have to pay attention to the finer details.

All in all, this build is slowly but surely coming along....

I will be taking pics of whats been done...I will take them tonight and if my day permits, I will upload. Looking forward to the comments...Fencelook
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12-03-2013, 11:07 AM (This post was last modified: 12-03-2013 11:07 AM by moranor@axis.)
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RE: Project Drift Monster_Continued
my guess is TNT quoted you then realized it was way more work than they thought so had to rush the job...

this thread needs some pics Fishwack

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13-03-2013, 09:42 AM
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OK thanks. Looking forward to the pics.

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13-03-2013, 11:13 AM
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Get some pics up! will be good to see progress of another build..

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14-03-2013, 10:36 PM
Post: #11
Re: Project Drift Monster_Continued
Track cars ftw! Looking forward to seeing it :D

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15-03-2013, 09:39 AM (This post was last modified: 15-03-2013 10:26 AM by JayDrft.)
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RE: Project Drift Monster_Continued
Howzit guys,

Ive been promising pics and so on, but honestly have been crazy busy.

I have arranged that my car get towed to get the cocked up welds sorted out.

I will however take some pics as i do have my camera available, and on hand...so before it gets taken away, we can compare some before and afters.

I will try upload pics by this weekend, if not...absolute latest, monday.

Thanks for following the pictureless build for now...! Thumbs

I will see if I got any pics of the initial cut out and fitment of the might 327...
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15-03-2013, 11:02 AM (This post was last modified: 15-03-2013 11:12 AM by JayDrft.)
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I found some initial pics I thought I lost - the dates indicate when this project started, years later plus one beautiful lil man...And this is the story of Project Drift Monster.
Started life as a 320i 4-Door. Silver in colour. Front view
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Rear view - note the dirt and massive fade from standing.
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Power plant was rough!
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Interior was good - sold that off.
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The start of the strip out and dodging rat crap
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Got it this far...
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After removing the aircon..I gave it horns...!
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And this was the end result...some blood - looks minor..but it hurt like a MO-FO!Argh
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This summarizes the start back in 2008-2009. More to follow from more recent progress! Note how nice the paint looked after gutting the car...later pics will show a little more rust due to the fact that I sanded the interior with the intention to spray it, once the cage was fitted...

Next was stripping out the powerplant - this awesome piece of machinery will now liv eon in Rhett's turbo build....I will miss that motor and all its tricks...but moved onto a bigger banger for my buck.
Top view on the worked head...it was done well.
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Head off to inspect internals...apart from some rust and rat crap,looked ok
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Next was to get the lump out.
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Lump out - looked bad, but a quality BMW motor, is always quality - no matter what age...this one was just dirty, but fully worked and engineered.
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This marked the start of Project drift monster...Later developments saw me re-fresh the modified 2.5 turbo ready powerplant. After many hours of hard thinking, and slow progress - I decided to can the turbo and go straight to cubic displacement. This was at the height of the worst time of my life! Bangdesk But nothing can get a good man down I tell ya!
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15-03-2013, 11:14 AM (This post was last modified: 15-03-2013 11:19 AM by Mr H.)
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Nice build! Just never go for the 400 box. Although very strong, it saps engine power like you won't believe it. Turbo 350's are lighter and with a shifter kit, gear changes are instantaneous and the tyres chirp beautifully at each change! They are also very strong and reliable and replacements are available cheaply all over the show! Voorspoed! Thumbs

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15-03-2013, 11:29 AM (This post was last modified: 15-03-2013 11:40 AM by JayDrft.)
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I have skipped a progress step where the 8 point roll cage was fitted, but can play catch up with the new pics which i will take over the course of the weekend.
Right, so here goes nothing.
Once all was stripped out, this is what I was left with in my engine bay. Note how over time, rust and deterioration set in.
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Some interior shots for later comparison - passanger footwell
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Drivers side footwell.
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Spare wheel well...great for collecting water!
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My first segmented cut...little did I know - a v8 is not an inline 6'er!Cry
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Further cutting revealed a gapping big hole in the floor board and firewall.This allowed us to pre-fit the new powerplant dummy block.
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Pre-fit of the Block. Went in well...but next was clearance checks
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Drivers side clearance check...This is when i had to don the grinder due to the lack of tappet covers, I had to gues-timate clearance...was great fun getting to be one with my grinder!!!
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Passenger side clearance check - NOTE - Brake booster had to be removed as well as the linkage.
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As a teaser...this is the Mighty Chevy 327 Power plant during its initial build stages, since then, its had a couple more parts added, as well as the materimonial mating of the modified 350 Turbo box...!
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More Pics to follow...I am sure I have wet your appetites for now...! Until the next update...Enjoy and feel free to comment and ask questions.

Thanks MrH...

I am fairly new to the v8 game...but have many a connections in the hot rod and v8 tuning game. I am open to learn as much as I can about these very interesting motors...and even more so the boxes...

The 350 Turbo box was donated to me, it had burnt clutches and done itself in...my engine builder is clued up with the 327 as he has a turbo charged monster, thumping out over 400wkw...He is a guru regarding engine internals and happenings as well as the turbo box guru.

He has modified the various clutch assemblies by adding in an additional 5-6 plates respectively...this allows for quicker response, connected to a B&M 2500Rpm stall converted, and a modified shifter kit...he assures me i will have the wheels spinning from pull away, and his mods allow for individual gear selection, without the automatic kick over if you tend to run into the kick over rev range....I take his word for it...although I never fancied an automatic drift car...but this will be a first...and if it doesnt work...I will make a plan...this is a development project...as i am young-ish and on the path to learn more!

Hope everyone enjoys this thread! Ty
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15-03-2013, 11:55 AM
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Good to finally see this monster! That little light body with a V8 lump up front should make for plenty tyre smoke! Drifting is not my game so not sure about weight balance on this though but maybe something to bear in mind for future, however rear suspension subframes are pretty solid pieces of engineering so will account for some weight on the back to balance things, if not a sandbag in that spare wheel well? ...if necessary, like I said I'm not sure but would think a drift car would need to still have a good front/rear weight distribution, maybe some other members can shed more light on this.

Keep up the good work, looking forward to the next update! Thumbs
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15-03-2013, 12:02 PM
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Well noted Infra...

Due to the use of standard engine components, I insisted on using a stock sump on the 327...this forces the motor a lot back...in order to clear the front cross member...the result...the flex plate side plugs and distributor virtually sit in the car...the motor itself(as u saw the dummy block - its front face where the timing cover goes)...that face sits approximately 50mm over the front of the cross member...i dont anticipate serious unbalance from front to rear as i have pulled the motor back quite far...thus, changing the centre of gravity somewhat...

My main concern was getting understeer from the front end, something I dont want...but I have a partial remedy..in the form of some 17inch 225 Bridgestone semi's...they should help somewhat..but I dont anticipate a load of understeer.

Thanks for the comments...valid indeed.Thumbs
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15-03-2013, 02:26 PM
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Just do it! Excited

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15-03-2013, 02:53 PM
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dont forget you can also balance the car after using damper stings, spring rates, swaybars and alignment... do the best you can with the weight then fix it after by suspension tuning Bluebiggrin

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16-03-2013, 08:09 AM (This post was last modified: 16-03-2013 08:09 AM by InFrA007.)
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Makes sense Jay, the closer you can get the motor to the center of the car the better.

@Maranor Correct, I'm already fishing around with the locals to try and have corner balancing arranged for my car once its done to complete the setup. I have been advised that corner balancing should be the absolute last thing to setup, first get chassis sorted out as well as camber settings for even tyre wear. On the other hand I'd suspect that you'd want to corner balance and get your ride height sorted first and then do your camber and stiffness sorted once the car is balanced... Methinks more research is required

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